Contraception / Definite risk of death to mom if she gets pregnant

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Don’t have sex, at all. Ever. If she really is risking death if she gets pregnant she ought to abstain from all sexual activity. I know that sounds radical to post 1960’s Americans, but she won’t die from not having sex, and might from having it. Using contraception will result in mortal sin, which kills the soul (and thus is worse than physical death), but abstaining from all sexual activity is morally licit. Remember, we are not obligated to have sex, even if we are married, especially if it might lead to death.
Can this realistically be achieved? Does the couple need to split? Prior to marriage, when engaged, with the advice of any sensible Catholic, to be able to avoid sex, I only met my boyfriend in PUBLIC places such as parks, ice cream parlours, etc. I found this the only realistic way to avoid sex when young and very attracted to each other.

How is a couple with those type of circumstances be able to totally abstain whe attracted to each other and in love?
 
Oh wow. It sounds to me as if your wife has already made the decision to use chemical means of contraception. It also sounds to me as if you BOTH need authentic Catholic help and support during this difficult time in your relationship. I’d like to suggest you contact BOTH of the organizations Priests For Life and Sisters of Life. BOTH will provide the support and encouragement and education that you both need right now to live an authentic Catholic life. Please make the decision to do so. You, your wife, your Sacrament of Matrimony and your children and your future are all worth it. You as head of the household have and obligation before God to protect your wife from harm and that includes her sexuality. You can insist that you both get counseling in this matter and you do need it. You can also forbid her to use any form of contraception. And she must obey you.

Here are links you can use to BOTH places: sistersoflife.org/ priestsforlife.org/

Please use them.

Glenda
 
Forgive my ignorance, but I had always been led to believe there was an exception to the use of ABC for a mother who has had three emergency c-sections, as the risks of complications increase with each c-section. Does anyone know for certain regarding this specific matter if there actually is an exception?
 
Forgive my ignorance, but I had always been led to believe there was an exception to the use of ABC for a mother who has had three emergency c-sections, as the risks of complications increase with each c-section. Does anyone know for certain regarding this specific matter if there actually is an exception?
Nope. Not true. No such exception.
 
Can this realistically be achieved? Does the couple need to split? Prior to marriage, when engaged, with the advice of any sensible Catholic, to be able to avoid sex, I only met my boyfriend in PUBLIC places such as parks, ice cream parlours, etc. I found this the only realistic way to avoid sex when young and very attracted to each other.

How is a couple with those type of circumstances be able to totally abstain whe attracted to each other and in love?
Were you in danger of death if you had sex? No? If so I bet you would have been able to abstain. If pregnancy is as dangerous as the OP says for this woman then she shouldn’t be having sex at all. If she can’t abstain totally, she’ll have to use NFP. Using contraception is worse than dying as it leads to eternal spiritual death.

My wife and I waited until we were married and spent time alone. If you have a firm commitment to not having sex, you can resist the temptation.
 
Original poster here.

Yes, we will be abstaining. She really wants to get the depo shot, me, I* have had experience with celibacy before. Complete celibacy as in not even alone. Its not a chain to wear, its really not.

We’re going to talk about it AFTER Saturday. I’ve been working 12-24 hour days for the past 3 weeks and this friday is the 1st one i’ve had off in weeks. So she needs a quiet weekend before I drop the bombshell references in the catechism.

“A difficult time in [our] relationship?]” Nah. Not at all. Part of being in love means this sort of stuff is secondary to how much we love each other. Really. That’s what marriage is. One day one of us will be unable to have sex. Pretty much that’s a guarantee. I don’t think its necessarily NOW, but it has to certainly take a break. We get lots of intimacy from simply watching something together or just chit chatting all night every now and then over a nice meal I may cook for her or if she brings home some fancy meal out of the blue for us to enjoy. There’s LOTS of ways to itch that intimacy scratch. One of our favorites is so lame its funny. We like to just sit in bed, watching TV, and piddling around on the laptops. Its crazy, lame, but oh is it nice. We talk and when our youngest wakes up we will play with her for abit, then she goes to sleep with mom (we co-sleep with our latest child). I could write 10000 words trying to explain how deeply we are in love but it would be a waste b/c that’s not enough to explain all of it. There’s a reason we were engaged 1 month after we met and married 2.5 months later.

“Would you have sex even if you could die?” Umm. Yea. Probably. Heard of the AIDS virus? People do it all the time. That bit of the brain is quite willing to risk itself sometimes. We aren’t taking the chance, but there are many who would.

A good EWTN article: ewtn.com/library/MARRIAGE/CCLBC.TXT
 
I would recommend, along with the Paul VI Institute, that you check out the National Catholic Bioethic Center, ncbcenter.org/

But, it sounds like you know what to do already, with the great advice for many other posters.
 
Hello freedom. How are you doing?
Original poster here.

Yes, we will be abstaining. She really wants to get the depo shot, me, I* have had experience with celibacy before. Complete celibacy as in not even alone. Its not a chain to wear, its really not.

I could write 10000 words trying to explain how deeply we are in love but it would be a waste b/c that’s not enough to explain all of it. There’s a reason we were engaged 1 month after we met and married 2.5 months later.

“Would you have sex even if you could die?” Umm. Yea. Probably. Heard of the AIDS virus? People do it all the time. That bit of the brain is quite willing to risk itself sometimes. We aren’t taking the chance, but there are many who would.

A good EWTN article: ewtn.com/library/MARRIAGE/CCLBC.TXT
Ummmmm… I’m wondering how you could’ve had a Catholic wedding and gone to Pre-Cana instructions in a 3.5 month period of time from meeting to marriage? Can you explain?

Glenda
 
Ummmmm… I’m wondering how you could’ve had a Catholic wedding and gone to Pre-Cana instructions in a 3.5 month period of time from meeting to marriage? Can you explain?
The law only requires instruction. It does not require Pre-Cana classes, nor does it specify any timeframe. vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P3W.HTM

I know priests who are willing to make exceptions to the norms established in their diocese.

I just recorded a marriage for a couple who married in our parish with whom the pastor met privately, who did not attend any diocesan marriage prep, and who married only a couple of months after meeting (and it was a long distance romance through an internet dating site). In our pastor’s opinion, they were sufficiently prepared. And he has the ultimate say.

It happens.

(and lest people peg on the intenet dating thing and think I’m dogging it, I am not. That is how I met my husband. But we did not marry after only 4 months.)
 
The real elephant in the room is that we really don’t know the intent of the doctor who wants to give the depo shot. I assume it must be depo provera. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

If the wife has a medical reason to have this shot, then it would be fine with the Church. For all we know, maybe this woman has heavy periods that are further draining her health. In a case like that, a doctor might want to give such a shot so her body can rest from too much blood loss.

In any case, I believe it is the wife’s decision to decide whether or not she will get this shot. After all, she is the one whose life is in danger.

Maybe I shouldn’t say this, but I think that if men could get pregnant, the Church would have something called “just” birth control or maybe “birth control in self defense.”
 
The real elephant in the room is that we really don’t know the intent of the doctor who wants to give the depo shot. I assume it must be depo provera. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
There is no elephant in the room. The OP stated that the problem is with the kidneys, not the uterus. Depo Provera does not treat kidney disease.
Maybe I shouldn’t say this, but I think that if men could get pregnant, the Church would have something called “just” birth control or maybe “birth control in self defense.”
God’s law is the Truth, not dependent upon Man. It has nothing to do with whether or not men can get pregnant.

Frankly, this is offensive to men and women.
 
And Humanae vitae came to the rescue. We will continue to be celibate as long as need be. Simple solution to a small problem. 8)
 
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