Contraception for difficult circumstances

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Sexual practices would be things you do during sex to prevent conception, namely pulling out.
Or having sex only when the woman is infertile, which is NFP
Not having sex is again, not a sexual practice since no sex is occurring.
Again, NFP is NOT sexual abstinence. Sexual abstinence is sexual abstinence. NFP is timing your sexual act when the woman is not fertile, and is indeed a sexual practice.
 
Look, when you are deliberately having sex only when you know that the chances for conception is very, very low, then how is that not avoiding conception? Contraception is the willful act of avoiding conception whilst having sex. With NFP you are not avoiding sex.
 
Look, when you are deliberately having sex only when you know that the chances for conception is very, very low, then how is that not avoiding conception? Contraception is the willful act of avoiding conception whilst having sex. With NFP you are not avoiding sex.
LOL. I guess you are not Catholic.
 
Look, when you are deliberately having sex only when you know that the chances for conception is very, very low, then how is that not avoiding conception? Contraception is the willful act of avoiding conception whilst having sex. With NFP you are not avoiding sex.
No, contraception is the intentional prevention of conception or impregnation through the use of various devices, agents, drugs, sexual practices, or surgical procedures.

You can not intentionally prevent conception or impregnation if there is no action to cause anything to be there for conception or impregnation.
 
It’s not contraception because NFP is built naturally into the body; it’s not artificial.

If you define contraception as ANYTHING, anything at all, that allows you to have sex and not get pregnant then sure, it’s contraception.

The difference is that it’s not ARTIFICIAL birth control/contraception. That’s what the Church is against.

I think this is the source of most confusion.

[Pulling out is also defined as artificial because it evolves stopping the unitive aspect of sex before its completion-in other words, you stop having sex and finish off masturbating.]
 
Your situation is a precarious one and I’m sure involves much more detail and emotion than you are able to share here.

Therefore my advice is to seek the council of your priest and be guided by his advice.

Peace
James
 
I’m glad you love your wife enough to care about her body and her soul. Keep up the good work, whatever happens…
 
Tell me this, why do they go through all the trouble of charting and all just to not have sex? Yes, there is SOME abstinence, but the entire point of NFP is to HAVE SEX and NOT GET PREGNANT. And anytime you have sex with the intention to avoid pregnancy is contraception. Don’t overcomplicate it to justify the act. Avoiding conception is avoiding conception. If you want to abstain, then abstain. Why go through all the charting and getting temperatures and checking discharges if you are not going to have sex anyway? Who are we kidding here if not ourselves?
I’ve explained this on another thread. Sure, if you were having sex and the reason and intent of that particular sex act were to avoid pregnancy, then there would be a problem. But as I have said elsewhere, no one on the face of this earth thinks that having sex, even while infertile, is going to decrease their chance of getting pregnant. So no-one is going to have sex for the sake of avoiding pregnancy. The intention of avoiding children is not connected to the act of sex, it is connected to the abstinance.

But this thread is seriously not the place to start up this debate. OP, I’m very sorry for my involvement in encouraging this debate on your thread. I will be sure to say some prayers for you and your wife.
 
Or having sex only when the woman is infertile, which is NFP
No because you can’t conceive… you have to be able to conceive for Contraception to be possible.
Again, NFP is NOT sexual abstinence. Sexual abstinence is sexual abstinence. NFP is timing your sexual act when the woman is not fertile, and is indeed a sexual practice.
Sexual practices are things that happen DURING sex. That is why its a ‘practice’ it requires an action. So for it for a sexual practice to be contraception it would have to be a sterilizing action WHILE you are having sex. Having sex while you are infertile is not a positive action preventing conception… it is a positive action to conception, its just not currently possible for it to occur.
 
Willfully having sex even though you know she’s using contraceptives, thus sort of aiding her in a sense and in another sense using them yourself, would at least be a venial sin.
It is not always wrong according to either Fr. Vincent Serpa or the Vatican.
Here is the official teaching, direct from the Vatican website:

vatican.va/roman_curia/po…emecum_en.html

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13. Special difficulties are presented by cases of cooperation in the sin of a spouse who voluntarily renders the unitive act infecund. In the first place, it is necessary to distinguish cooperation in the proper sense, from violence or unjust imposition on the part of one of the spouses, which the other spouse in fact cannot resist.46, 561).] This cooperation can be licit when the three following conditions are jointly met:
  1. when the action of the cooperating spouse is not already illicit in itself;47
  2. when proportionally grave reasons exist for cooperating in the sin of the other spouse;
  3. when one is seeking to help the other spouse to desist from such conduct (patiently, with prayer, charity and dialogue; although not necessarily in that moment, nor on every single occasion).
The “proportionally grave reason for cooperating in the sin of the other spouse” is usually understood in terms of keeping the marriage from falling apart. I hope this is helpful.

Fr. Vincent Serpa, O.P.
Source: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=475359&highlight=spouse+contraception+sin

Hence my suggestion that it could be alright so long as he was neither encouraging or aiding her in getting or using contraceptives and made it clear that he does not approve of her actions. I did not focus on the importance of the grave reasons as much as I should have, so thank you for questioning me and getting me to actually look this up. OP I hope this helps. 🙂
 
It’s not contraception because NFP is built naturally into the body; it’s not artificial.

If you define contraception as ANYTHING, anything at all, that allows you to have sex and not get pregnant then sure, it’s contraception.

The difference is that it’s not ARTIFICIAL birth control/contraception. That’s what the Church is against.

I think this is the source of most confusion.

[Pulling out is also defined as artificial because it evolves stopping the unitive aspect of sex before its completion-in other words, you stop having sex and finish off masturbating.]
Contraception has nothing to do about being natural vs. artificial. If you are having sex and doing something to avoid pregnancy, then that is contraception. Artificial Birth Control and Natural Birth Control are another matter, but both are contraceptives. The inherent definition of contraceptives is avoiding pregnancy, not if its artificial method or not.

Think of it this way, is a car a polluter? Well, depends, right? If it runs on gasoline, then yes. If it runs on electricity, then no. But a car is a car. Contraception is contraception, it is not dependent on whether it is artificial or natural. It is dependent on the intent to avoid pregnancy whilst having sex.
I’ve explained this on another thread. Sure, if you were having sex and the reason and intent of that particular sex act were to avoid pregnancy, then there would be a problem. But as I have said elsewhere, no one on the face of this earth thinks that having sex, even while infertile, is going to decrease their chance of getting pregnant. So no-one is going to have sex for the sake of avoiding pregnancy. The intention of avoiding children is not connected to the act of sex, it is connected to the abstinance.
Highlighted on mine. My question to you is are you on this earth? Because every person who uses NFP to determine the infertile period does believe that they are decreasing the chances of getting pregnant. We are only kidding ourselves if we are not. It is even in the materials handed out to you by your NFP instructor. I know, I’ve paid for and attended one. And our intention was not to get pregnant right away, because we just had a son.
No because you can’t conceive… you have to be able to conceive for Contraception to be possible.
You are able to concieve. If you are not able to concieve then you are sterile or menopausal. A woman’s cycle doesn’t remove their ability to concieve.
Sexual practices are things that happen DURING sex. That is why its a ‘practice’ it requires an action.
Taking temperatures, updating a chart, and checking for mucus isn’t an action?
So for it for a sexual practice to be contraception it would have to be a sterilizing action WHILE you are having sex. Having sex while you are infertile is not a positive action preventing conception… it is a positive action to conception, its just not currently possible for it to occur.
Don’t define terms to suit your own needs. Sexual practice is anything you do in relation to having sex, not just what you do during the act. Besides, you don’t take pills while you are having sex, so it must be okay then?
 
Don’t define terms to suit your own needs.
Let us all use the terms as the Catholic Church and Catholic Theology uses them.

Here is how they are used:

Compendium issued by Pope Benedict XVI
  1. When is it moral to regulate births?
2368-2369
2399

The regulation of births, which is an aspect of responsible fatherhood and motherhood, is objectively morally acceptable when it is pursued by the spouses without external pressure; when it is practiced not out of selfishness but for serious reasons; and with methods that conform to the objective criteria of morality, that is, periodic continence and use of the infertile periods.
  1. What are immoral means of birth control?
2370-2372

Every action - for example, direct sterilization or contraception - is intrinsically immoral which (either in anticipation of the conjugal act, in its accomplishment or in the development of its natural consequences) proposes, as an end or as a means, to hinder procreation.

vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html
 
I would also suggest that much of this discussion is completely off the topic of this thread…

The OP has a CRISIS in his marriage and need some help and some sound answers on THAT issue…not on whether NFP qualifies as contraception…

Come on people let’s show a bit of compassion for this man’s difficulty and not clutter up this thread with a bunch of off topic exchanges…Start another thread for that topic…

Peace
James
 
I would also suggest that much of this discussion is completely off the topic of this thread…

The OP has a CRISIS in his marriage and need some help and some sound answers on THAT issue…not on whether NFP qualifies as contraception…

Come on people let’s show a bit of compassion for this man’s difficulty and not clutter up this thread with a bunch of off topic exchanges…Start another thread for that topic…

Peace
James
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You are able to concieve. If you are not able to concieve then you are sterile or menopausal. A woman’s cycle doesn’t remove their ability to concieve.
You need to go back to biology 101 if you think that, or perhaps consult an MD. A normal woman is fertile and able to conceive for a 24 - 48 hour period in her “normal” cycle. (now obviously the cycle is unique to each woman). If you use the logic that a woman from the time she starts her menstrual period to the time she is menopausal is “able to conceive” followed by the logic that the act of avoiding sex constitutes contraception, than ANY night you do not have conjugal relations from the time you are married to the time of menopause constitutes contraceptive actions. That does not sound reasonable to me.
Taking temperatures, updating a chart, and checking for mucus isn’t an action?
Last time I checked you didn’t do those things while in the middle of a sex act. Nor do you use those items to make the act its self sterile.
Don’t define terms to suit your own needs. Sexual practice is anything you do in relation to having sex, not just what you do during the act. Besides, you don’t take pills while you are having sex, so it must be okay then?
If your definition of “sexual practice” is every act, action, or inaction in relation to the conjugal act, then any sexual thought you have about your wife during any period she is infertile would constitute contraception. That also does not sound reasonable. Now if that is the definition you want to go with, I can’t tell you otherwise. I am talking about having sex or not having it. This is where the moral or immoral actions take in regards to contraception take place or don’t.

Sorry posted after the suggestion to go to new thread. I agree its not right to debate this here. Moving to new thread.
 
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