Contraception for pets

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HAHA. Some people DO keep lions in their houses. 😉

Different breeds for each of them. It’s really the vet who let us on to the fact that we should be letting each animal have one litter before spaying because it would greatly reduce the cancer rate we were seeing.

Anyway. I’m really not arguing against any of this. Just sharing my own personal internal conflict about these things. I’ll back out because I have no desire to try and convince anyone that my conviction should be theirs.
 
AlNg said:
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phil19034:
Animals are not sentient creatures
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I don’t believe that is true. Dogs and cats show awareness and responsiveness. They can smell, see, and hear.
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Well, it really depends on the definition used. I guess I was referring to it the way it’s often used in science fiction (referring to life capable of rational thought).

I was using the term to refer to creature capable of rational thought - which are only humans, on planet Earth.

So I will revise by saying: “Animals are not capiable of rational thought.”
 
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Pup7 said:
You’re not keeping a lion in your house. It’s a domesticated cat. It’s not a zebra, it’s a horse.
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Wow, some people keep their horse in the house?!?! I didn’t know that! 😜
 
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You’re not keeping a lion in your house. It’s a domesticated cat. It’s not a zebra, it’s a horse.
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Wow, some people keep their horse in the house?!?! I didn’t know that! 😜
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Yep.

Miniatures as seeing-eye horses are a real thing.

And, uhm, horses kept by horse owners…are still domesticated. They’re not wild.
 
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is it true that God gave people the deciding authority over animals?
 
The Vet wanted to neuter my dog because he was jumping on people. It took a while to work out a better solution.
 
When the reproductive period of the female come, to cut off.

I don’t know excatly how many times a year, I couldn’t have done this myself!

I am surprised, I think it is something known and common, but as I see the question on the forum, apparently no. Perhaps a french bias, as we are very pill-oriented for woman, so, perhaps to pet too?

But it very hard to give to a female pet! We had some litters with my cat’s parents, and one for our cat!
 
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that’s the thing; they are allowed to be killed, morally. Since they have no souls.
 
I think one of my sister’s dog’s jumped out of the living room window twice, on two different occasions!
 
I’ve had probably 25 cats, all fixed, they all lived into their teens and only 2 of them got cancer. One got cancer of the mouth, I suspect because her last owner smoked and she licked her fur which had smoke on it, and one was a male and got cancer when he was about 20 years old. The rest of the cats died from things like kidney disease, heart failure, diabetes and simple old age. None of my cats had a disease involving the reproductive system ever.
 
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phil19034 said:
However, I’m going to deviate from everyone here by saying that we did not receive in Revelation permission to do SOME of things we do to animals. Therefore, some of the treatment by mass breeders, slaughter houses, fishermen who over fish, etc very well may be sinful.
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I don’t think it’s such a deviation, and you’re absolutely right. Not because all natural-law teachings apply to animals, and not because animals have “rights” of any sort … but because as stewards of God’s creation we have responsibilities for tending to it wisely and ordinately–not wantonly, cruelly, or thoughtlessly. Spaying & neutering pets are part & parcel of that conscientiousness.
 
phil19034 said:
However, I’m going to deviate from everyone here by saying that we did not receive in Revelation permission to do SOME of things we do to animals. Therefore, some of the treatment by mass breeders, slaughter houses, fishermen who over fish, etc very well may be sinful.
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I just want to say for the record that if anything I said came across as condoning all the ways we treat animals, it wasn’t meant to. I agree that we’ve absolutely abused God’s creation, including the animals, in ways I don’t think God approves of for multiple reasons. I just don’t see spaying and neutering as being one of those sinful things, and that’s what this discussion is centered around.
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is it true that God gave people the deciding authority over animals?
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I’m not really sure how you got that from the comment you’re responding to. It was just showing a clear difference between how we approach the overpopulation problem between humans, who have the capacity to change without the need for contraception, and animals, who don’t have that capacity.

That said, my other comment was at least partially based on the idea that humans, based on Genesis 1:28, where God gave humans dominion over animals. That seems to indicate that we were meant to have some control over animals, though as already mentioned, I think there are ways we’ve abused that.

Some great things have come about from it, like the domestication of dogs and cats, but we’ve also done some horrible things, like contributing to overpopulation for many species in different areas. Unfortunately, that sometimes requires taking measures to address the problem. Spaying and neutering pets is one step as that they can’t breed even if they manage to get out on the streets. Hunting more of X than is standard is something else we do. Hopefully, though, both are done as humanely as possible and with the least amount of waste.
 
Yeah, I think what I meant was that it’s okay for us-pet owners- to “put-down” the pet when it is too sick to exist anymore. And God allowed us to make those decisions. So it wouldn’t be a sin
 
I just wondered how often you would have to give a pill. My one cat will easily tolerate me giving one for a few days before she’s had enough and fights me. The other fights it right off the bat and will hide if it’s “time.”
 
I’ll own my ignorance as I’ve never heard of such a thing.

Why in the WORLD would you give an animal - who has no comprehension of what you’re doing or why - an OCP over neutering/spaying?
 
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