Contraception is just like bulemia!

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gardenswithkids:
No. I don’t think that analogy works. Sometimes we chew gum because we want fresh, minty breath. I think gum is more analogous to foreplay–it gets the juices flowing. And cynic–this is an anology–chewing gum isn’t a sin (unless you stole the gum:) )
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Sometimes?

How about when we want the taste and texture of food without consuming or digesting it to get the nourishment.
 
What I’m getting out of this is “if you’re going to have sex, you’d better have a pretty good excuse!” Since when is married love dirty unless a baby results, or at least the couple gives it a “sporting try”?

Try this one for analogies (not that I agree with it, but it fits the “logic” of the ones offered thus far) - NFP is like waiting until you have chronic diarrhea to eat, so that what you consume will just pass right through you before your body has the ability to gain any nourishment from it (great taste, no calories!)

This is just dumb. Fertility is a blessing placed by God upon the union of man and wife, but is not the essence of marriage or the expression of human sexuality for that matter. The command to “be fruitful and multiply” is not an absolute one either, but relative to the fact of “filling the earth and subdoing it”. You’ll have to forgive me for debating that we are in dire shortage of people right now doing just that!

“The marriage bed is undefiled” saith St.Paul.
 
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gardenswithkids:
No, that’s the foundation upon which the Anglican Church approved contraception for married couples with serious reasons back in the 1930’s.
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So it has precedent.
 
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Aquarius:
Gardens wrote:

“Likewise, avoiding a pregnacy is not inheritantly wrong; it depends on the circumstance. People are allowed to use NFP to avoid pregnancy if there is a just reason.”

And this is the foundation upon which the Church will eventually OK ABC.
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This demonstrates a superficial understanding of the Church’s prohibition against ABC.
 
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setter:
This demonstrates a superficial understanding of the Church’s prohibition against ABC.
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I agree. I think that it would be more likely that the Church would begin to frown upon NFP. But maybe thats just me.
 
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setter:
This demonstrates a superficial understanding of the Church’s prohibition against ABC.
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Superficiality is the basis upon which it will change.

I predict there will be long presentations on why the ABC teaching is not infallible. We will hear about the pope’s opinions versus the official teaching of the Church. We will hear about the authority of councils. We will hear about the fullness of understanding, the advanced knowledge from natural science, and the new rule that a marriage must be open to children spaced and determined by the goodwill of the spouses in keeping with the nature of the sacred marriage relationship.

Much of this will happen because the laity will be exerting more power in the Church, and the perspective of married people will challenge that of celibates.
 
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Aquarius:
Superficiality is the basis upon which it will change.

I predict there will be long presentations on why the ABC teaching is not infallible. We will hear about the pope’s opinions versus the official teaching of the Church. We will hear about the authority of councils. We will hear about the fullness of understanding, the advanced knowledge from natural science, and the new rule that a marriage must be open to children spaced and determined by the goodwill of the spouses in keeping with the nature of the sacred marriage relationship.

Much of this will happen because the laity will be exerting more power in the Church, and the perspective of married people will challenge that of celibates.
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If this is really what you believe than you do not fully comprehend the reasoning behind the teachings of this. The people will not have more power than the Church, because the Holy Spirit is in charge and the Truth will prevail as it always has. It will never change.
 
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Superficiality is the basis upon which it will change.
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Not a serious assertion for the Catholic Church.
I predict there will be long presentations on why the ABC teaching is not infallible. We will hear about the pope’s opinions versus the official teaching of the Church. We will hear about the authority of councils. We will hear about the fullness of understanding, the advanced knowledge from natural science, and the new rule that a marriage must be open to children spaced and determined by the goodwill of the spouses in keeping with the nature of the sacred marriage relationship.
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This has already occurred.
Much of this will happen because the laity will be exerting more power in the Church, and the perspective of married people will challenge that of celibates.
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Celibates and married complement and support each other’s vocation in the body of Christ His Church.
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Sexuality is at the heart of who and what we are as humans. Anything we do or don’t do that leads to a selfishness, or a disordering, or a halfheartedness, in our sexuality, lessens us as a person. Sexual intercourse is meant for a married couple with the purpose of, to put it simply, bonding and babies. If either of those purposes is deliberately blocked, the sexual union of a couple is less than what it could be. Many people would say that choosing to practice NFP is both the hardest thing they’ve ever done and the best thing they’ve ever done. The level of communication required to practice NFP effectively is a great benefit for a couple, as are the times of abstinence needed. Marriage, and sex in marriage, is not about “getting it whenever you want it” as many, regrettably (but in a way understandably) seem to believe.
The fact is, that NFP is possible, and on the face of it, has tangible benefits. I think we buy into the modern crisis of imagination, or poverty of imagination, when we suggest that it’s impossible or not worth pursuing.
 
“crisis of lack of imagination” I mean - the general climate of weary apathy that we’ll never live up to what God asks of us, or the idea of the world that sex really perhaps isn’t that special - that casual sex with multiple partners is all there is.
 
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luvmykids:
If this is really what you believe than you do not fully comprehend the reasoning behind the teachings of this. The people will not have more power than the Church, because the Holy Spirit is in charge and the Truth will prevail as it always has. It will never change.
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But I think the people are part of the Church just as the clergy is part of the Church. Is the HS prohibited from acting through the people? Did he get the memo?
 
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setter:
Not a serious assertion for the Catholic Church.
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This has already occurred.
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Celibates and married complement
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and support each other’s vocation in the body of Christ His Church.

I’d say the celibates have had the upper hand in defining things so far. Now that the laity is no longer an uneducated and easily led lumpen, things are bound to change.
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Balance said:
“crisis of lack of imagination” I mean - the general climate of weary apathy that we’ll never live up to what God asks of us, or the idea of the world that sex really perhaps isn’t that special - that casual sex with multiple partners is all there is.
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All there is? No. Just one thing that is.
 
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Aquarius:
But I think the people are part of the Church just as the clergy is part of the Church. Is the HS prohibited from acting through the people? Did he get the memo?
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Where do you think the pope gets his infallibility on the teachings of faith and morals? The Holy Spirit doesn’t act through the People, He acts through the Pope.
 
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luvmykids:
Where do you think the pope gets his infallibility on the teachings of faith and morals? The Holy Spirit doesn’t act through the People, He acts through the Pope.
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Exclusive contract?
 
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luvmykids:
Yes, it’s called the Word of God.
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And where did God give that exclusive contract? How do you know? Are you limiting God?
 
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Aquarius:
And where did God give that exclusive contract? How do you know? Are you limiting God?
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OH, here we go. Tell me you aren’t one who believes that God is an ever changing God. That is limiting God if you believe that, because this would mean that God could not possibly be all knowing and perfect. If God was a changing God, He would not be perfect, because change occurs with growth, or deviations. God does not need change. God is Truth, Truth does not change. If you think He changes, you are limiting God by saying that He didn’t get it right the first time.
 
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