Contraception is the stopping of ultimate love

[colliric]

People want Sex “for fun” but why don’t they see it is much more forfilling to do it for pure love instead of “fun”.

There’s a show I’m watching on SBS australia’s tv program “Insight”(a debate/opinion program). This is an interesting program, They’ve got a wide range of opinions here including a Catholic Preist.

But It’s a little disturbing how deeply anti-catholic general sentiment is these days.

A young woman even said she went to an all catholic girls school where they taught about the positives of Contraception(which is against the Catholic teaching).

The priest did a great job arguing Abstinence against the tidal wave of contraception. But he was laughed at when he did so.

So my question, Why is true love so stifled by secular society?

 

[BlestOne]

Because true love is selfless and we live in a very selfish world. Everything is about me… how does it make me feel? Who loves me? What can they do for me? etc. When we love another person as selflessly as Christ did it is so strong and powerful that we call it sacramental. People are so cynical that they don’t believe in selflessly giving of themselves, they look at what they will get out of it. It is sad, they will never understand it is when you act in pure love (selflessly) that you can feel that same selfless love in return and you are truly happy.

 

[vera_dicere]

I went to an all girls Catholic School and they told us about contraceptives, but they didn’t hand them out, and they certainly didn’t say it was good. They pushed hard the issue of waiting.

However, the teachers would sometimes try and slip advice on how to “self pleasure” or where to get BC - they weren’t Catholic teachers. I complained to my parents about it and they complained back to school.

Therein ended that liberal nonsense.

 

[colliric]

I went to an all girls Catholic School and they told us about contraceptives, but they didn’t hand them out, and they certainly didn’t say it was good. They pushed hard the issue of waiting.

However, the teachers would sometimes try and slip advice on how to “self pleasure” or where to get BC - they weren’t Catholic teachers. I complained to my parents about it and they complained back to school.

Therein ended that liberal nonsense.

Good, If one day I ever send my future children to a Catholic School, I expect it not to be “Catholic in name only”.

 

[BlestOne]

Good, If one day I ever send my future children to a Catholic School, I expect it not to be “Catholic in name only”.

I can tell you that in my daughters school they bring in folks to do the chastity talks and next year they are using a Theology of the Body for teens curriculum. I saw the priest reviewing it during our trip to Washington for the March for Life. I hope this gives you some encouragement, also, there was an ad for our neighboring Catholic HS for a principal. One of the job requirements was a Catholic living their faith in accordance with the Magesterium. I was rather encouraged by that as well.

 

[colliric]

I can tell you that in my daughters school they bring in folks to do the chastity talks and next year they are using a Theology of the Body for teens curriculum. I saw the priest reviewing it during our trip to Washington for the March for Life. I hope this gives you some encouragement, also, there was an ad for our neighboring Catholic HS for a principal. One of the job requirements was a Catholic living their faith in accordance with the Magesterium. I was rather encouraged by that as well.

That’s good, I agree compleatly.

 

[cavyqueen]

I don’t get it. What’s wrong with a husband and wife using contraception? Husbands and wives have the right to have sex and not all couples should have children.

 

[fix]

I don’t get it. What’s wrong with a husband and wife using contraception? Husbands and wives have the right to have sex and not all couples should have children.

What is wrong is that it is contrary to God.

 

[colliric]

I don’t get it. What’s wrong with a husband and wife using contraception? Husbands and wives have the right to have sex and not all couples should have children.

In the bible God curses and even kills a man for waisting “his seed” after sex:

“And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother’s wife, that he spilled [it] on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the Lord: wherefore he slew him also.” - Genesis 38:9-10

He committed 2 sins, Adultery and then he went and committed the worse sin of Contraception, bringing the wrath of god upon himself.

 

[vluvski]

Husbands and wives have the right to have sex and not all couples should have children.

A right to sex? Is that in the Bible or the Catechism anywhere?

And who’s to say who should and should not have children except God? If a couple prayerfully discerns that God does not want them to have children at that time, they have a very achievable, effective option in modern Natural Family Planning, which is a far cry from the Rhythm Method championed in the past and used to smear scientifically-grounded NFP techniques taught today.

 

[vluvski]

He committed 2 sins, Adultery and then he went and committed the worse sin of Contraception, bringing the wrath of god upon himself.

You’ve got the story almost right. Onan did not commit adultery; the law required him to have intercourse with his brother’s wife so that she would have a child. He did not like the idea of being the father of his brother’s wife’s child and did not want to fulfill the law.

Also, I believe that this passage is generally not associated by theologians with contraception, because God struck down Onan for disobedience to the law, not for contraception per se. I sure wouldn’t take my chances, though!

 

[Cari]

I don’t get it. What’s wrong with a husband and wife using contraception? Husbands and wives have the right to have sex and not all couples should have children.

It’s attitudes like this towards sex that create a whole culture of sexually immoral people- men AND women, married AND single.

You can’t ignore God’s word in one area and then wonder why other people ignore it in other areas.

 

[colliric]

You’ve got the story almost right. Onan did not commit adultery; the law required him to have intercourse with his brother’s wife so that she would have a child. He did not like the idea of being the father of his brother’s wife’s child and did not want to fulfill the law.

Also, I believe that this passage is generally not associated by theologians with contraception, because God struck down Onan for disobedience to the law, not for contraception per se. I sure wouldn’t take my chances, though!

Obviously these people arn’t familar with exactly how this episode fits into the Torah itself because otherwise they would have been familuar with the commandment god gave which allowed a Brother take his deceased brother’s wife, and commanded that living brother to have children in the name of the deceased. The penalty for disobeying this act, these theologians obviously don’t know. Because it is NOT DEATH, as occured to Onan.

Deutronomy 25:6-10:

"And if the man like not to take his brother’s wife, then let his brother’s wife go up to the gate unto the elders, and say, My husband’s brother refuseth to raise up unto his brother a name in Israel, he will not perform the duty of my husband’s brother.

Then the elders of his city shall call him, and speak unto him: and if he stand to it, and say, I like not to take her;

Then shall his brother’s wife come unto him in the presence of the elders, and loose his shoe from off his foot, and spit in his face, and shall answer and say, So shall it be done unto that man that will not build up his brother’s house.

And his name shall be called in Israel, The house of him that hath his shoe loosed."

Basically Deutronomy is saying that what Onan did was fine until a certain point in the act… He would have lost a shoe and got spatten on if he had of refused to take her according to the precedent, so why did god kill him?

because when he “waisted his seed” after having sex with her, god was furious. there is no other interpretation of the passage.

 

[Grace_Angel]

People want Sex “for fun” but why don’t they see it is much more forfilling to do it for pure love instead of “fun”.

There’s a show I’m watching on SBS australia’s tv program “Insight”(a debate/opinion program). This is an interesting program, They’ve got a wide range of opinions here including a Catholic Preist.

But It’s a little disturbing how deeply anti-catholic general sentiment is these days.

A young woman even said she went to an all catholic girls school where they taught about the positives of Contraception(which is against the Catholic teaching).

The priest did a great job arguing Abstinence against the tidal wave of contraception. But he was laughed at when he did so.

So my question, Why is true love so stifled by secular society?

Because Colliric, we permitted this to happen, when catholic women and men rejoiced in the introduction of contraception. Contraception of any kind. Contraception opened the doorway to illigitimate sexual encounters. contraception made the woman “wombless” Contraception made the woman “sterile” and free to be like the man and have all the sexual encounters without the responsibilities. Sex and love dont necessarily go together. They should but they dont.
I last week had a experience which has left me stunned.
In one conversation with young engaged chaste couple who together are attending Billings classes (name removed by moderator)reparation for their marriage in 3 mo nths, always referred to the marital act as “making love” which I pondered over at great length. Indeed when understood correctly the marital act should be the making “of love” (a child). Then several days later I was talking to another couple who constantly referred to the marital act as “sc…ing” this couple live together (co habitate) and are not planing on getting married or having children.
Even the language that is used can tell us much behind this contraception and sexual revolution.
I am still pondering over the wording by the two different couples, and YES there is a palpable difference even in their behaviour towards one another.
I dont know if this answer is of any use to you. But it was really interesting and light bulb moment for me.
God bless
Grace Angel.