Contraception Moral Dilemma

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Is it because you’re preventing your wife from getting pregnant?
 
FillTheVoid said:
How am I violating my argument?

Please, explain to me why contraception is “evil”
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Why should I explain to you why contraception is evil?
  1. I did not claim contraception was evil.
  2. You have not defined contraception.
If a person falls and breaks their arm, is that different from a person bending their arm backwards until it breaks? In both cases, the arm is broken.

If a person falls into the water and dies, is that the same as if you held their head under the water? They are both dead, but you are only charged with murder in one case.

As you can see from my post, I said that avoiding pregnancy was not the big whoopla. Abstaining from sex the same way you just did to post your demands is not the same as deliberately shutting down a body process. Just like choosing healthy foods and eating at peak times of the day isn’t considered bulimia.
 
I understand your analogies. Yet I still fail to see why it is wrong. I take medication to stop a body process of mine, is that horrendously wrong also?

Next thing you know, doing CPR on someone to save their life is going to be horrendously wrong because you’re playing God and it was “their time”
 
Stopping the biological processes in a woman which lead her to become pregnant.

You can

Stop her biological processes artificially

Or

Wait for her biological processes to stop naturally

I don’t see the big difference.
 
FillTheVoid said:
Stopping the biological processes in a woman which lead her to become pregnant.

You can

Stop her biological processes artificially

Or

Wait for her biological processes to stop naturally

I don’t see the big difference.
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So you are saying that the definition of contraception is to stop a biological process. Which biological process? Please define for further understanding, thank you.

Specifically, are you alluding to anovulation? A zygote growing? Implantation?
 
You’re avoiding answering my question.

I’m not going to get all scientific because that is not necessary.

Birth Control.

Either way the egg and sperm are wasted knowingly, so what is the difference here?

Let’s just cut it off at that, it’s all good. God isn’t going to think any less of us for deciding when we want to have Children, and I don’t think he’s going to think any less of us for wanting to have relations with our spouses.
 
FillTheVoid said:
You’re avoiding answering my question.

I’m not going to get all scientific because that is not necessary.

Birth Control.
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It appears that your interest in laying everything on the table for inspection has ended. For that, I am sorry, as information is nothing to be afraid of and it can be quite pleasant to pass it around.

It is very necessary for you to define contraception because “stopping the biological processes which lead her to become pregnant” is very vague. Exactly what does this mean? Which process? All of them?

Then we must make sure she has no hormones, such as estrogen and progesterone, right? Yet you then say birth control is the same as NFP, right? This you have claimed, yet birth control is a hormonal replacement therapy. So you are shown wrong by scientific fact. UNLESS your definition is different.

There is even recent research indicating that pheremones have something to do with it all. What about those? Scientists are not even sure where they are, let alone how to “stop” them.

You asked me a question: why is contraception evil. That is really dismissing me and ignoring my posts, as I am not talking about "evil’ or “good” here. And you have not defined what you are really saying. I am genuinely interested in hearing it; this is not a cat and mouse game.

Then, at the end, you put down “birth control” what is that? Are you talking about a hormonal replacement therapy? Which one? Oral contraceptives? Barriers? Depo?

And furthermore, when you allude to NFP, which method are you utilizing for your comparison? The rythm method? Creighton?

Surely we can both pass information freely and shed some light on this matter.
 
Think of it this way. God created women to complement men. One way He did this is by creating the menstrual cycle. Birth control is sinful because we are saying, “Hey, we’re better than God. We can alter that cycle!” This is showing off a tremendous amount of pride, and we know what God feels about those who are prideful. In fact, the Chuch states that Pride is a deadly sin. NFP is not trying to alter the woman’s cycle or take advantage of it, but rather it excercises responsibility and couples even feel more drawn together. Preventing sperm from reaching the egg is also sinful because it goes against God’s commandment, “Be fruitful, and multiply.” Really, all forms of birth control goes against this commandment. In fact, this commandment is so important that it precedes the 10 commandments. It’s pretty much the first commandment that God told Adam and Eve.
Sex is a gift from God. God created woman for man, and that's why man leaves his parents to join his wife, and they are one. They are no longer 2 bodies, but one body in the spirit. Sex with birth control screws this whole thing up. Remember, God even killed a person for practicing birth control.
 
Read this all you wonderful people who do not understand the difference between NFP and contraception. READ IT TILL THE END, THAT"S WHERE THE BEST PARTS ARE!

Why Pro-Lifers Must Oppose CONTRACEPTION

–By Fr. Frank Pavone
National Director

There are two basic truths that each person has to admit in this life: 1. There is a God. 2. It isn’t me. To understand these lessons is to understand why abortion is wrong. Only God has absolute dominion over human life. “None of us lives as his own master and none of us dies as his own master” (Rom.14:7).

This is also the reason that contraception is wrong. We know that human life begins at conception. But God’s dominion over human life does not begin at conception. It begins in eternity.

“God chose us in Him before the world began” (Eph.1:4). “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you” (Jer.1:5) We exist in time because God chose us from eternity. A human decision to prevent our conception is a trespass on God’s dominion over human life.

It is not, of course, the same type of trespass as abortion (unless the so-called “contraceptive” actually is abortifacient). Abortion destroys a human life. Contraception distorts the meaning of human sexuality. Both offend God because they fail to acknowledge Him as Lord of the entire process of human reproduction and life!

It is perfectly legitimate to acknowledge that there are circumstances in which a couple should not have a child. There can be medical, social, financial, psychological, or other reasons for this. To acknowledge God’s dominion does not mean to act imprudently. Methods of natural family planning are legitimate. In planning one’s family, however, one may never destroy the meaning of sexual union on one’s own initiative. In natural family planning, using the body’s cycles of infertile days, God closes the door to life. In contraception, we close the door. We have no authority to do so.
Scripture is clear that children are a blessing. “Happy the man who has filled his quiver with these arrows!” (Psalm 127:5). Scripture is also clear that in being generous with life, we must put all our doubts and fears in God’s hands. “Do not let your hearts be troubled,” Christ says. “Trust in God and trust in me” (Jn.14:1). May we trust Him as we build our families in fruitful love!
 
Let me say that this is a very hard subject for me. Prior to converting in '04, I used ABC and still got pregnant. Not once, not twice but 3 times. My first and second children are 14 months and 7 days apart in age, my second and third child are 14 months and 12 days apart in age. I loved having them so close together and they were wonderful suprises from God. 🙂

When my DH and I got married in '01, we had a honeymoon baby. 🙂 I suffered from pre-term labor from approximately 20 weeks in with each pregnancy. All were born early but healthy. I also suffer from fibromyalgia with my most significant symptoms being fatigue and pain in my muscles and joints. After the deilivery of my youngest, I had a bi-tubal ligation. My husband agreed with the doctor that he did not want to see me pain like I was when I was pregnant (it exacerbated my symptoms). Here’s the kicker, my OB is Catholic, in fact she attends my parish. :confused:

Once I converted, this huge weight of guilt has hovered around me. I feel bad that my husband will not have more children. I feel guilty that I am not a “whole” Catholic woman. :o Yes, I have been to confession and received absolution. But I know that I did not follow the teachings. I know I am in the wrong. I know I have been forgiven but I am stricken with grief…for the precious one we can’t bring into this world, for dishonoring what He taught us. I know it was a choice I made outside of the Church and I know God still loves me just as much and so does my DH.

My preist told me that we should practice NFP anyway. So we try to. We have agreed that if God ever blesses with enough extra $$ we would see about having it reversed. It will cost anywhere from $6,500-8,00 out of pocket bc medical insurance does not cover a reversal of sterilization.:mad:

This has to be the second biggest regret of my life. Thank God for His merciful loving forgiveness and understanding.

Pax Vobiscum
 
JMJDevotee said:
When my DH and I got married in '01, we had a honeymoon baby. 🙂 I suffered from pre-term labor from approximately 20 weeks in with each pregnancy. All were born early but healthy. I also suffer from fibromyalgia with my most significant symptoms being fatigue and pain in my muscles and joints. After the deilivery of my youngest, I had a bi-tubal ligation. My husband agreed with the doctor that he did not want to see me pain like I was when I was pregnant (it exacerbated my symptoms).
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I am so sorry you are going through this. And I am so sorry you didn’t discover the wonderful charting of NFP before tubal ligation. I sought out NFP while single and suffering from horribly painful endometreosis and fibromyalgia! My OB’s were also ‘less than helpful.’ It is so sad that doctors think ‘not getting pregnant’ is an answer. There is a wonderful article here on Catholic answers on the topic of vasectomy. catholic.com/thisrock/1998/9804fea1.asp I think they address much the same problem. The husband got a vasectomy because the doctors believed the wife shouldn’t get pregnant.

The charting of NFP has helped my fibro to be much more managable. In fact right now I am suffering in pain because I wasn’t taking any of my supplements over the last month. My NFP charts revealed it before my health did. I wish we had a slaps head emoticon. I would use it.

NFP is the gathering of information and then acting on that information in a responsible manner. It is amazing how helpful it can be in helping to actually treat the problem. (The problems can range from bad health to bad communication in marriage.) It bothers me greatly that there are medical folks out there who will offer a “solution” that is actually just trading in one set of problems for another.
 
Sacravaca said:
Thank you all for replying. He actually saw my post and we are talking more freely about it now. My husband doesn’t want to use NFP because I was using it in the past and we got pregnant. All of our children were pleasant surprises but my fertility is undeniable. He doesn’t want to have any more children. I understand completely considering we have our hands full with just two! I know he wouldn’t give NFP another try because if it/we failed the consequence is another child! Another child from God I know but he doesn’t see it exactly that way. Your explanations have really helped and thanks again for your time.
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Yes, I can understand the fears…

How were you tracking your fertility???
There are more then one way to track your fertility!

Maybe you just need to use a different way to track your fertility or maybe you need to use a combo of things.

I would read more up on NFP and the different options.

Here is a link to get you started: usccb.org/prolife/issues/nfp/intronfp.shtml#2
 
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