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I am raised Catholic from a large family, as was my wife. We are raising our children Catholic as well. I was taught to question, and sometimes it gets me in hot water, but I think I am better as a whole for it. I consider my self pro-life, but can’t help but noticing research that shows that in countries where contraception is practiced, abortion rates are lower. My question is this: How is contraception (specifically condom) any different than NFP. The goal of NFP is to have sex inside a marriage while AVOIDING conception. Respectfully, how is a condom different? Thank you.
 
Faithandworks, Welcome to Catholic Answers! I hope you find that your time here is edifying.
How is contraception (specifically condom) any different than NFP. The goal of NFP is to have sex inside a marriage while AVOIDING conception. Respectfully, how is a condom different? Thank you.
We recognize that in most situations, the morality of an action is determined by two factors: the intention and the means. The intention is what a person hopes to achieve by doing or not doing a particular action. The means are how he does it. Consider a situation in which a father needs to support his family. His intention is to obtain money to feed his kids. He has a choice about the means. He can either get a job and work for the money, or he can sneak into someone’s house at night and steal it. Even though both men had the same intention, we rightly say that the first means were moral while the second means were not.

As another example, consider a man who is witnessing the sufffering of an elderly grandparent. This man wishes, out of love for his grandmother, that Nana will pass on from this life and go to heaven. He can choose to do nothing and wait for her to die naturally. Or he can sneak into her room at night and slit her throat. In both cases, the man hoped that Nana would die. But in the second case, he usurped the natural order and took her life into his own hands. We rightly call that murder.

Now consider the case in which a couple rightly desires to postpone having children for the time being. Their intention may be good, but the morality of their actions is also determined by the means they choose to obtain their desire. They can choose to wait for the woman’s fertile period to end naturally. They do this by observing the natural signs and symptoms in the woman’s body and simply choosing not to have sex on certain days. They work in tandem with God’s design for fertility. Then, when they do engage in sexual intercourse during an infertile period, the sexual act is completly unifying and ordered to procreation (meaning, they do nothing to disrupt the sex act). Or, they can choose to use a condom or other contraceptive method. Here, they decide to disrupt how sex is designed by God to be (with the husband completing the act inside his wife). They deliberetaly sterilize the sexual act because they don’t like one of its main purposes. They take the natural sex act and mutilate it.

The Church teaches that each sex act must be ordered towards procreation and unity of the husband and wife. This means that we must not do anything to deliberetaly separate these two ends. Contraception attempts to separate the procreative aspect from the unitive aspect. But to recognize that sometimes women just can’t get pregnant is not a sin, nor is it sinful to complete the ordered sex act during this period. This is why using condoms is sinful but using NFP is not.
I consider my self pro-life, but can’t help but noticing research that shows that in countries where contraception is practiced, abortion rates are lower.
I’d be very interested to see your data. All my research has indicated that as contraception becomes more prevalent in society, so does abortion. This may be caused by what pro-lifers sometimes call the “contraceptive mentality” which basically means that when people use contraception, they stop seeing babies as the natural end result of having sex. Thus, they are more willing to consider abortion. Moreover, contraception facilitates extramarital and premarital sex, or sex between two people who are usually unwilling to raise children together. Then, when the contraception fails or when they forget to use a condom that one time and become pregnant, they are ill-equipped for the challenges of parenthood.

The Church’s teaching on the sanctity of marriage and the purposes of sex is remarkably consistent. My favorite resource on this topic is called “Natural Law and Sexual Ethics.” It was a talk given by Janet Smith and it really explains a lot of this stuff well. I highly, highly recommend it. You can read it here: goodmorals.org/smith5.htm

God bless!
 
While you are looking at data, you might also note that every culture in which contraception has been embraced as morally good or neutral has a NEGATIVE total fertility rate (2.1 or under). This means population implosion (though sometimes masked by immigration).

Those who claim NFP is no different than contraception have likely never LIVED NFP. It doesn’t take you but a month or so to recognize the profound difference! NFP is HARD, like most virtues. When you have a just reason to avoid pregnancy, NFP requires that you defer your sexual intimacy, a sort of sexual fasting. Contraception allows you to divorce sex from babies altogether, which subtly but truly degenerates sex into MERELY the pleasure. It degrades it from having the potential to be mutually giving to at least partially mutually taking.

Some people also want/need to lose weight. ONE strategy for that would be to continue to eat all you want, but puke up at least one meal a day before it can be digested. The other strategy would be to eat less. The former attempts to delink the pleasure God gave us in eating from the effects. But it cannot be done without causing physical and spiritual damage to those who attempt it. Sex ALSO has two functions: unitive and a procreative. When people attempt to decouple them, they suffer spiritual (and sometimes physical) damage as well.
 
My question is this: How is contraception (specifically condom) any different than NFP. The goal of NFP is to have sex inside a marriage while AVOIDING conception. Respectfully, how is a condom different? Thank you.
You have two questions there. The first’s answer is obvious: with NFP, there’s no condom. The second has already been touched upon. In brief, actions have means and intentions. Both must be oriented toward good and cannot violate natural law for an action to be moral. Condom use is an immoral means to avoid contraception since it violates the nature of the sexual act. Even if avoiding contraception is a good end, it cannot be achieved by immoral means.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
"The Church teaches that each sex act must be ordered towards procreation and unity of the husband and wife. This means that we must not do anything to deliberetaly separate these two ends. Contraception attempts to separate the procreative aspect from the unitive aspect…

But doesn’t NFP also seperate the procreation away from the unity? If I have sex with my wife, but purposely avoid times of fertility through NFP, then am I not purposely separating the procreation away…

"Contraception allows you to divorce sex from babies altogether, which subtly but truly degenerates sex into MERELY the pleasure. It degrades it from having the potential to be mutually giving to at least partially mutually taking.

As one who has used contraception earlier in my life…(full disclosuere here)…I can say personally that it was not at all merely pleasure, but also very much an act of unity, and also I still fail to understand how sex with contraception is more of a taking than sex outside of fertile periods through NFP. Once again, it was, at least for me, a very giving and uniting experience with my new wife at that time in our lives. I do appreciate the “fasting” argument…absence makes the heart grow fonder :o

By the way, I appreciate some of the analogies here, and I am not trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand the subtle differences…Thank you for the discussion…
 
"The Church teaches that each sex act must be ordered towards procreation and unity of the husband and wife. This means that we must not do anything to deliberetaly separate these two ends. Contraception attempts to separate the procreative aspect from the unitive aspect…

But doesn’t NFP also seperate the procreation away from the unity? If I have sex with my wife, but purposely avoid times of fertility through NFP, then am I not purposely separating the procreation away…
No, you’re not, because abstaining from sex during fertile periods (the method by which NFP works) is markedly different from not abstaining at all while using artificial means to frustrate conception.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
"The Church teaches that each sex act must be ordered towards procreation and unity of the husband and wife. This means that we must not do anything to deliberetaly separate these two ends. Contraception attempts to separate the procreative aspect from the unitive aspect…

But doesn’t NFP also seperate the procreation away from the unity? If I have sex with my wife, but purposely avoid times of fertility through NFP, then I am purposely separating the procreation away…

By the way, I appreciate some of the analogies here…Thank you for the discussion…
“Ordered towards” is a confusing expression often misunderstood, IMO. Basically it means what you say in the next sentence. It does NOT mean that, say, a post-menopausal couple can’t embrace anymore! This is because God didn’t make humans like some other animals, only interested in sex when ‘in heat!’ God himself, gave us plenty of times when the interest and capability is there, but the fertility isn’t. There is nothing wrong with enjoying those times that are given freely by God.

What is wrong is to take the times that God made fertile and sterilize them ourselves for our own indulgence. That is a VERY different thing than holding back our desires, for good, reason when God made the time fertile. The sacrifice of self for the greater good is what preserves the link between sex and life. Furthermore, that difficult sacrifice does something fasting is famous for; it quiets your soul and opens your ears to hear God speak. Many NFP folk, myself included, made the DECISON to accept more kids precisely because the sacrificial times of NFP forced us to confront how ‘serious’ our reason to not have more kids was. In our case, cowardice at how hard kid #2 was eventually lost out to the still small voice! And sure enough, child #3 has been an enormous blessing. Are we done? Who knows? Menopause is still a few years off…
 
The goal of NFP is to have sex inside a marriage while AVOIDING conception. Respectfully, how is a condom different? Thank you.
The goal of NFP is to plan your family. That involves trying to avoid pregnancy at times, but it also involves seeking pregnancy at other times. It’s far more than simply a “natural” means of birth control. The biggest benefit of NFP is a greater knowledge of pregnancy and the female cycle, both in a general sense and, after a few months, for the specific woman in question. That knowledge is important whether you are seeking to postpone OR seeking to achieve pregnancy.

My wife was angry after our first NFP class. We’re talking raised voice, shouting at the air, indignantly furious. The fact that the information we were being taught was so basic and not even part of health classes in school, or knowledge held by any of the OB/GYNs she has had previously for that matter, drove her nuts. She’s not even Catholic, just someone willing to learn. Before taking the classes she was unsure if NFP was a good idea. Now she wants nothing to do with artificial birth control.
 
I am raised Catholic from a large family, as was my wife. We are raising our children Catholic as well. I was taught to question, and sometimes it gets me in hot water, but I think I am better as a whole for it. I consider my self pro-life, but can’t help but noticing research that shows that in countries where contraception is practiced, abortion rates are lower. My question is this: How is contraception (specifically condom) any different than NFP. The goal of NFP is to have sex inside a marriage while AVOIDING conception. Respectfully, how is a condom different? Thank you.
Okay, I’ve posted this before elsewhere, but here we go again.

There’s a huge difference between contraception and NFP.

God designed our biology. In His design, men are fertile all the time and women are fertile only part of the time.

NFP works within God’s design. It does absolutely nothing to change our biology and our fertile times from the way God designed them.

Contraception, however, seeks to thwart God’s design.

Using contraception tells God He made a mistake in His design, a mistake we will correct for Him. We will change His design to *our *design by adding a condom, a pill, an IUD, or whatever.

Contraception essentially slaps God in the face by telling Him His design is not good enough.
 
I am raised Catholic from a large family, as was my wife. We are raising our children Catholic as well. I was taught to question, and sometimes it gets me in hot water, but I think I am better as a whole for it. I consider my self pro-life, but can’t help but noticing research that shows that in countries where contraception is practiced, abortion rates are lower. My question is this: How is contraception (specifically condom) any different than NFP. The goal of NFP is to have sex inside a marriage while AVOIDING conception. Respectfully, how is a condom different? Thank you.
When you use contraception, really anything but NFP, you are telling God that you know better than he does when you should have a baby. You are basically playing God. Which you, nor I, nor anyone else has the right to do.

When you use NFP you are participating in what God has created. You are using what he has given you.

The biggest difference between the two methods of avoiding pregnancy is with one, contraception, you are still having sex and trying to avoid the outcome of that act. With NFP you are not having sex. Contraception is selfish. In practicing NFP you are respecting how God created you.
 
Well there have been some very interesting answers, and most have been very consistent. I must respectfully disagree, however, as I can find no liturgical, nor biblical authority for the stance on contraception, and I also believe that differentiating NFP from other common contraceptions is virtually impossible. I am concerned that man makes rules for us to follow, but that man is fallible. Avoiding sex at a time when we know we are fertile, and having sex when we “know” we are probably not is no different than using a condom – we are thwarting the procreative process, but allowing ourselves to indulge in a sex act. If it is God’s will, can he not break through a condom just as easily as he can make a woman fertile during unlikely times of the month? We are using science to determine if we are fertile and having sex only when we are not. That, in and of itself, is messing with the way God meant it to be, according to what Catholics say about contraception. We are seperating the procreative and the unitive properties of sex.

I am open to God’s will as much or more than most people I know. God’s will is that I use my intellect. My intellect wants to know how the Church can differentiate the two. Many tell me that NFP is easy, and I would have to agree – for normal, advanced first-world societies. Try NFP in the third-world, starving, overpopulated countries in Africa and it is a much different story. God does not want us to ignore the tools his people have devised to help make the world a better place.

God and Peace be with you all. Thank you for your insight.
 
From a strictly non-religious point of view - it is highly suspected that hormones (pheromones?) exchanged during intercourse. Chemical contraception prevents these from activating, physical barriers prevent the transfer. In addition the the probably chemical bonding that can occur with nfp, there are definitely psychological barriers present when artificial birth control is used.

imho - NFP is part of God’s design, written into our very DNA. We will ultimately benefit from rejoicing in God’s design for us, rather than trying to avoid it, but that is the religious aspect of it.
 
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faithandworks:
My intellect wants to know how the Church can differentiate the two.
I think this is a laudable goal, and I’m reminded of Luke 11:9: “Seek, and ye shall find.” If you are seriously interested in learning how the Church can differentiate between the two, start reading. Read all of Humanae Vitae. Read Theology of the Body, or a commentary and explanation of it, such as those by Christopher West. Read anything by Janet Smith on sexual ethics. We all have an obligation to callibrate our consciences correctly.

For my part, I liked my original analogies, but since you found them unconvincing, let me try for a third. This one is actually from Janet Smith (and was also briefly explicated by manualman above). I think it’s helpful for understanding how contraception is understood to be disordered by the Church, so it deserves another moment in the spotlight.

What purpose does eating serve? Really think about it for a second. Why do we eat? Why did God design us with a stomach and intestines and then give us urges to eat? It benefits us in some way. Eating is pleasurable, yes. But its primary purpose is not to give pleasure. Eating can be sociable, yes, as when friends gather around a table to eat and talk. But again, the purpose of eating is not so that we can make and sustain friendships. The purpose of eating, which we can deduce by using our intellect and observing the natural law, is to fuel and nourish our bodies. The calories in food keep us healthy and moving. In other words, calories are good, and absorbing calories is the natural end result of eating.

But consider how it is possible that there might be good reasons for a person not to want to absorb too many calories. Perhaps two people are trying to maintain their weight for health reasons. They still want to eat, though. Eating is primarily for fueling the body, but it is also pleasurable and sociable. So they face a choice. One of the dieters decides to eat a lot, just as she did before she was trying to lose weight. She eats a huge meatball sub loaded with cheese and downs it with a piece of cake. Then, realizing that she might gain weight, she runs into the bathroom and makes herself throw up. The second dieter also wants the meatball sub and the cake, but instead, she chooses a salad. She knows that the salad will not cause her to gain weight, so she eats it and leaves. Is there no moral difference between the decisions that the two dieters made? I see a big difference. The first woman tried to divorce the natural consequences of eating from her choice of food. Even in secular society, we call that disordered. We would rightly say that that woman has an eating disorder. The second woman, in choosing to do something in which she could accept the consequences, did not do anything disordered. She ate like she was supposed to. She ate less than she might have liked. But she didn’t violate natural law at all.

Similarly, when a couple has sex using contraception, they are engaging in an action and then “vomiting up” the natural consequence of the sexual act, because they worry about what will happen if they don’t. They are thwarting how God designed their bodies to be, because they don’t like the primary purpose of they activity that they are engaging in. On the contrast, non-contracepting couples don’t violate the purpose of sex at all. They simply diet or abstain from sex when they can’t accept the consequences of it. When they have sex during an infertile period, they, like the dieter who ate the salad, don’t worry about the end result, because God has not made pregnancy the end result of sex during an infertile period (just as he had not made weight gain the natural result of eating low-caloric foods like lettuce). I think it’s a shame that secular society can identify the woman who purges her food as having a disorder, but cannot recognize that the woman who purges her fertility is doing the same.
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faithandworks:
Many tell me that NFP is easy, and I would have to agree – for normal, advanced first-world societies. Try NFP in the third-world, starving, overpopulated countries in Africa and it is a much different story. God does not want us to ignore the tools his people have devised to help make the world a better place.
I’ve actually worked with couples using natural family planning in the Philippines. It is a different cultural context, for sure, and some of the techniques that we use in the US are not appropriate in developing countries. For example, I probably would not suggest that a woman buy a $200 fertility monitor when she makes less than that in a year. But poor or uneducated people can use NFP just as easily as you or I could, and all women can be taught to recognize fertility signs. Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta was very successful in teaching a mucus method to poor Indian women. I suspect she was especially persuasive because she was also living a holy life and exercising self-discipline apprpriate to her state of life. The Standard Days Method, which utilizes a set of colored plastic beads (and thus eliminates the need for paper and pen charts) is over 95% effective for women with regular cycles. It was tested in Bolivia, Peru, and the Philippines, and is currently being used throughout Africa. There’s also a simple and inexpensive “beads system” that is being used in Haiti to help women keep track of mucus observations. In other words, the practice of natural family planning is different in developing countries, but it can be just as effective, and is much more sustainable than contraception. I agree that God does not what us to ignore the tools his people have devised to help make the world a better place. I would argue that the tools you are thinking of, namely condoms, do not achieve your desired end.

God bless.
 
Well there have been some very interesting answers, and most have been very consistent. I must respectfully disagree, however, as I can find no liturgical, nor biblical authority for the stance on contraception, and I also believe that differentiating NFP from other common contraceptions is virtually impossible. I am concerned that man makes rules for us to follow, but that man is fallible. Avoiding sex at a time when we know we are fertile, and having sex when we “know” we are probably not is no different than using a condom – we are thwarting the procreative process, but allowing ourselves to indulge in a sex act. If it is God’s will, can he not break through a condom just as easily as he can make a woman fertile during unlikely times of the month? We are using science to determine if we are fertile and having sex only when we are not. That, in and of itself, is messing with the way God meant it to be, according to what Catholics say about contraception. We are seperating the procreative and the unitive properties of sex.

I am open to God’s will as much or more than most people I know. God’s will is that I use my intellect. My intellect wants to know how the Church can differentiate the two. Many tell me that NFP is easy, and I would have to agree – for normal, advanced first-world societies. Try NFP in the third-world, starving, overpopulated countries in Africa and it is a much different story. God does not want us to ignore the tools his people have devised to help make the world a better place.

God and Peace be with you all. Thank you for your insight.
The difference in the methods is not just mechanism but attitude.

God designed the woman’s cycle so that there would be more fertile times and less fertile times. NFP practicioners who wish to not achieve pregnancy voluntarily abstain from sex during the more fertile times. They understand that a pregnancy is possible outside of more fertile times from either pure chance or God’s will and accept that possibility, meaning they are open to life if God so wishes. They put up no artificial barriers but work within God’s design and leave it in his hands if it’s his desire to perform a miracle or permit us to mess up our temperature/mucus checks. The attitude is “We choose to work within what you’ve designed and place no barriers of our own creation between our will and yours”.

Artificial birth control users, on the other hand, wish to not achieve pregnancy during both less AND more fertile times. In other words, they are not open to life at all and use artificial means to alter the natural cycle designed by God. Instead of having the attitude that sex during the more fertile time is an open invitation to new life, they block procreation by putting up an artificial barrier. The attitude is “We do not choose to work within your design. If you really want your will to be done, it’ll have to circumvent the barrier we’ve added”.

How many users of artificial birth control truly have an attitude of “Not my will but your will be done?” I thought I did when I permitted my wife to use the pill, with the same thinking you’re giving here that God can peform a miracle regardless of method if he so chooses. But looking back on it, I really only had my own selfish will in mind.
 
Faithand, you really do not see any difference between intentionally and purposefully sterilizing intercourse and leaving the act unaltered? Really? One requires a self-sacrifice on the part of the couple, and one does not, no?

No liturgical, no biblical authority Well, I imagine you are aware of Onan. I think the reasonable question to ask with regard to Onan is if there already existed a consequence for failure to live up to the requirement that the surviving brother take the deceased brother’s wife as his own bride (i.e., the widow calls the slacking surviving brother out in front of the community, and I think slaps him with her sandal, IIRC), why in Onan’s case was the consequence different? It was because, I would submit, that in addition to shirking his responsibility, he also practiced contraception; it is not because he was failing in his social duty, but because he engaged in the act and sterilized it. Again, it is my understanding that this is the traditional understanding of this passage. Part two, as a Catholic, why would you feel limited to biblical authority? More on that below.

man makes the rules . . . man is fallible*** How will we know anything faith related then? Man decided on the canon of the bible, right? Men in the 300’s were not fallible? Where’s the “faith” part of your name - - faith that Peter was given the keys to the kingdom, given the power to bind and loose, that the powers of death would not prevail against the Church, that one who hears the apostles hears Christ? I am not trying to give you a hard time, and tone is notoriously hard to convey in pixels, so please, know that I am not writing this in anger or condemnation, but since you admit to searching and liking to ask questions if you do not understand, perhaps those are some questions to ponder.

You might also want to look up the posting history of fellow poster 1ke, who gives very succinct, clear, and accurate summaries of church teaching in this area - - maybe if you see it stated another way, it will help you in your journey.

finally, if you see the Church’s teachings in this area as a bunch of rules, rather than an examination and explanation of the truth of our creation as male and female, in the image and likeness of our Trinitarian God, I think you are missing out on a lot. The Church is giving us the tools to choose the good, and reject distortions of sexuality. Have you read any theology of the body material?

Again, not trying to stifle discussion or exploration of the topic, and happy to discuss it with you.*
 
As Catholics we are allowed to have marital relations every day of a woman’s cycle if we should so choose, that includes her infertile days.

We are also allowed to abstain from matital relations every day of a women’s cycle if we wish. Including her fertile times. (We can decide to abstain indefinately in order to avoid children)

So having marital relations on infertile days is fine and not having relations on fertile days is also fine. NFP just informs us when those days occur. Now it is the intention that matters also, but the church allows parents to space births for serious reasons-the church is against contraception not ‘family planning’ in a natural way. (e.g. NFP and lactational amorreah) (sp?).

p.s. not sure if this works logically, let me know 👍
 
Well there have been some very interesting answers, and most have been very consistent. I must respectfully disagree, however, as I can find no liturgical, nor biblical authority for the stance on contraception,
If you are looking for contraception in the bible you will find little. However if you look at barren woman or being blessed with a child you will find more
and I also believe that differentiating NFP from other common contraception is virtually impossible.
That is a science answer not a theological answer
… Avoiding sex at a time when we know we are fertile, and having sex when we “know” we are probably not is no different than using a condom – we are thwarting the procreative process, but allowing ourselves to indulge in a sex act.
PPIV disagreed a quick summary is one method is inside god’s design while the other was outside god’s design
If it is God’s will, can he not break through a condom just as easily as he can make a woman fertile during unlikely times of the month?
I think the issue was god needing to intervene because man’s work to change the plan
We are using science to determine if we are fertile and having sex only when we are not. That, in and of itself, is messing with the way God meant it to be, according to what Catholics say about contraception. We are separating the procreative and the unitive properties of sex.
yes, but inside the design not outside the design
I am open to God’s will as much or more than most people I know. God’s will is that I use my intellect. My intellect wants to know how the Church can differentiate the two.
PPIV was advised by many to accept the barrier methods however he notes that once these barriers are used man may discard the consequences of sex. And thus degrade the woman. So sex without barriers places the participants in a position of higher responsibility
Many tell me that NFP is easy, and I would have to agree – for normal, advanced first-world societies. Try NFP in the third-world, starving, overpopulated countries in Africa and it is a much different story. …
Mother Therese did just that and made the world better. Her intellect could have worked to enslave that population for personal gain, or eliminate that population with weapons, however she worked with in god’s plan.

Hope that helps
 
We are using science to determine if we are fertile and having sex only when we are not. That, in and of itself, is messing with the way God meant it to be, according to what Catholics say about contraception. We are seperating the procreative and the unitive properties of sex.
Please allow me to give a different perspective than the ones already presented here. I speak with the voice of those suffering from infertility.

Let me begin by asking you a question. Would you be willing to look an infertile couple in the eyes and say, “You are not being procreative. You are separating the procreative from the unitive?” I would hope not. I would hope that you have more sense than to tell a couple who desperately wants a child that they are not being procreative.

You see objectively, that is what they are doing, by your definition. According to what you have defined as “procreation,” they have used science to determine that their act is not going to result in a conception, yet they are still having sex. If your definition of procreation is accurate, then they are doing the same thing as an NFP couple who is making exclusive use of the infertile phase. And by that further logic, you cannot see a difference between what an NFP couple does and what a contracepting couple does. So if I take those points to their logical conconclusion, then the infertile couple is contracepting. Because we know that if A=B, and B=C, then A=C. Correct?

But I would guess then that your answer would be, “No the infertile couple wants to have a baby.” True. But that is intent, not means. So that merely changes the why they are having sex, not the *when *and how. What we are discussing is the objective means of having infertile sex.

But what if instead the definition of procreation is not just a reproductive act? What if being procreative is instead a measurable, act that is defined, (as it is correctly listed in your second post) as an act ordered towards life? Wouldn’t that change the above illogical conclusion that an infertile couple is doing basically the same act as a contracepting couple? Wouldn’t that say, that no, a contracepting couple has instead done an act of some kind, deliberately, to disorder the ***act ***away from life?

Having suffered through both previous infertility and now having to limit the size of my family through the use of the infertile phases, I can really see both sides of the coin. My health is so bad that there are days that I cannot get out of bed to tend my two children. I have to have people come over and help. I hate that. I would love to be healthy. I desperately wanted to have another child, but it looks like God has a different plan for us. I *want *more children. Right now. My intent is the desire for children, yet we only make use of the infertile phase. Are you willing to tell **me **that I have separated the procreative from the unitive?

If you are really interested in the topic I have a list of sources as long as my husband’s arm that I can give you. (He’s six feet tall. Long wing-span.) Contraception is most certainly discussed, by name, in Scripture. Many, many of the early Church Fathers wrote on the intrinsic evil of contraception. I am more than happy to discuss with you the massive differences between natural infertility and intentional sterility.

Contraception was the topic that brought me fully back home to living a devout Catholic life. My blog is entitled, “Confessions of a Former Contracepter.”
 
From the outside it may not look like much of a difference. But I can personally attest that practitioners feel like it is a very large difference. I am not sure if anything (to date) has benefited my marriage more. There are a number of possible reasons that it feels different. Perhaps it is the removing of psychological barriers, perhaps it is chemical, perhaps it redefines the marriage to one of self giving and obedience (rather than one of self gratification).

for what it is worth - I supported my wife’s use of pills, and patches, and latter accepted the use of condoms. Switching to nfp was scary (condoms was more scary to me) - but in very short order I found that it was a small sacrifice for huge tangible physical benefits (marriage embrace improved in pretty much every way - both emotional and physical; not to mention the spiritual ones - which led us to greatly deepening our faith).

ymmv.
 
Good Morning,

Tex, could you possibly mean PPVI as in post Vatican II, and Human Vitae? I believe PPIV was much earlier in the Church’s history. I have read Human Vitae and also read historical accounts surrounding it’s publication. Perhaps we would all do well to read about the “politics” in the church surrounding PPVI and also Pope John 23 (the good 23) who immediately preceeded PPVI.

And for anyone who is infertile and wants to have children, I am very sorry. I cannot imagine the pain you have suffered in your quest and I am very humbled by your apparent acceptance of God’s will. For what it is worth, I commend you, and I truly hope my comments are not a slap in the face. I have a sister who wanted many children and was not able to fulfill her dream. I myself have four beautiful daughters. I do not, in any way think a “sterile” couple who still engages in sex is seperating the unitive and procreative acts. After all, the hope is that the procreative act will be successful. Also, post-menopausal couples are not seperating the acts, however, we do know that post-menopausal women cannot give birth. However, a sterile couple who desire to have children are still trying and hoping every day. BUT a couple who purposely avoids sex during fertile times has indeed seperated the procreative and unitive properties of marital relations. They say NO to procreation and YES to unity.

I have read about Onan and my take is not a blanket statement about birth and birth-control at all, but rather a direct disobedience of God’s directive for Onan to take his brother’s wife and give children. Onan directly disobeyed (decieved) God. I pray to God fir guidance and humility to accept his will and in many instances, he makes clear what I must do. Once again, however, he also makes me keenly aware of the falibility of man and when I read the history of the politics surrounding Pope John 23 and Pope Paul VI and Vatican II and Human Vitea, I see much more politics than faith and liturgically based doctrine.

Bottom line, I am continually praying for guidance, and obviously God is giving me guidance by sending you all to challenge my thoughts. THANK YOU for your prospectives!!!
 
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