I suggest you learn Creighton or Billings. Sympto-Thermal is certainly another good option, but temperature taking requires taking it at the same time every day and I’m not sure conditions will be right for that. Creighton and Billings seem more likely to fit the lifestyle you will be embracing.
Wow. This is how you respond to God’s gift of a child? Seriously?
Sounds like someone is in SERIOUS need of an attitude adjustment.
I really just think this whole debate is a mute point since you are not Catholic you obviously do not agree with ,or wish to follow Catholic teaching which is the authentic interpretation of God’s word and His Church and I think it is clear that the only people who will agree with you here are non Catholics.
Cool. Thanks for the info.
No, this iswhat I say to the people who say NFB is almost always guaranteed to work, and is among the most effective methods out there. If it does not, they were not being honest. If it does, they were. I’d tell the same thing to a contraceptive manufacturer. I would thank God for our child and put our original plans on hold and serve Him in another field that would be more appropriate for a family.
Maybe. I’m just holding the NFB promoters to the same standard I’d hold any other promoter of contraceptive ideas/products.
Maybe you’re right, this probably isn’t the best forum for non-Catholics to promote their views. I asked for prayer and advice and got a lot of that, thank you and to everyone else who did likewise. Staying on here to debate with others is probably a waste of time and divides believers. I follow God and so do you, we believe in the same Saviour and Lord who died on the cross for us, and everyone here wants to follow Him, so there is no point arguing anymore. Probably won’t be on here again, it was interesting though.
Well I guess I didn’t see this before I posted my last. I am glad you are open to NFP. As for the pill’s health side effects …are you seriously saying you disagree with scientific studies from the Mayo Clinic?
Meh. I said I wouldn’t be back, I broke my word. Sorry. I like forums.Well I guess I didn’t see this before I posted my last. I am glad you are open to NFP. As for the pill’s health side effects …are you seriously saying you disagree with scientific studies from the Mayo Clinic?
As for your quote on suburbia which you hold in such disdain. Before you judge ,consider this- if it is such a dire and Godless place then don’t you think it is a prime mission field ? Not physically dangerous perhaps but certainly in need of evangelizing - it is pagan land out here.
Or you did not use the information properly.
NFP is NOT contraception.
Believe me, we will not take chances.
Of course it is. It is a natural form that doesn’t harm the woman or child and it is praiseworthy… and hopefully effective.
Why? The purpose of sex is to satisfy your spouse and to procreate. Procreation can be put off until it is a good time, nothing in the Bible contradicts that. What does our marital sexuality have to do with holding the NFP promoters accountable to what they are preaching? Accountability is a good thing… for everyone.
No, it isn’t at all.
Correct. And the two can never be separated. Each act of intercourse must be objectively unitive and procreative (even if subjectively infertile). Your mentality is that you are rejecting your fertility (at least from my perspective).
If you are treating your marital sexuality in this way, you have a very impoverished view of God’s gift of fertility.
This is the definition of contraception, according the American Heritage Dictionary
How can an act of intercourse during a time when the woman is definitely infertile be objectively procreative? Also, we are not rejecting our fertility, we are choosing to postpone it.
God intended sex to be to pleasure one’s spouse and to make children. He also intends us to be peacemakers and help victims of poverty and injustice. We will do our best to spend our whole lives doing these things, before and when we have children. But there are some things that it isn’t suitable (or possible) to involve children in, so because some of the work we feel called to do we want to delay having a child. We were going to do this through the use of the pill but since learning about its possible side effects and possible even if remote abortifacient qualities, we felt Him telling us we should not do this. So we will not. Using NFP has none of these risks. But we still will avoid having a child (or try to) so this other work can be done first. If it does not go that way, it is God’s will and we will accept. But we will try.
Thanks for that, I am a bit of a slow reader but I will look for those in the library.
It doesn’t work for everyone - we’ve had problems while being very conservative with it - there are many on here that swear by it, but what I would recommend when you read everyone’s reply to ‘how NFP worked for you’ (and there are threads that talk about this very subject)- well you need to ask how they define success. Some will define it (as we do) - using NFP to avoid pregnancy and not having any surprise pregnancies - others will define it as using NFP to avoid and later being thrilled that they had an ‘oops’ pregnancy (therefore viewing it as a ‘success’)- many on here use it for certain amounts of time between children and not just using it to put off having kids for X amount of years - success with NFP is very much (especially on here) in the heart of the user of it. But if you need to use NFP - learn more than one method and in my personal opinion - get the machine that will tell the female for sure what is going on with her saliva and vaginal mucous. There are no questions with the machine - it may seem like a superfluous extra but if you’re going to a war zone, you need to really determine what would truly be worse - getting pregnant in that situation or an extra thing to carry around - but please learn (if you’re going to use it) more than one method - it really gives the woman insights to what’s going on with her body - some people make it sound like "it kills the spontaneity (but unless you’re active in the early morning - not for us so much)-once you get used to it it’s automatic - but you do need (especially if temping and recommended if you use the machine) to check at the same times each morning (temping this is a rule)- also if you do use the machine (or even condoms) you need to look at the rules of the country you’re going to - find out if you aren’t supposed to have them there - that can cause you a lot of trouble - in some countries things aren’t just taboo they are against the law.
Hi Ryecroft,
vladdy;9130562:
So Jesus said only go out and spread the Gospel to those who are physically in danger? Pray tell what is more dangerous to a person , physical death or spiritual? He taught His Apostles to run away from people who are spiritually dying and only help those who are being physically persecuted?As for moving to the suburbs… the best way for people in them who don’t get the reality of life for most of the world (and there are many in the suburbs who do care, and get it, this is not about them) or to get evangelized as you put it, is to leave them. Best way to get off the pill for most people is to stop using it.
I work in a christian book store that mainly serves protestants and I see people claim their ‘mission’ work in foreign lands as a badge of honor, it seems to me that it has become a thing you have to do to ‘prove’ that you really are a Christians. Yet to me your feeling about the mission field of the subrbs reminds me of the Good Samaritan parable and I ask you who is your neighbor if not your fellow Americans living in the spiritual mortuary of their rich suburbs ? We are called to be witnesses EVERYWHERE there is need of the gospel. I submit to you that infact it is fear that drives you out of the suburbs, fear that you too would loose your soul and that you are not strong enough in your faith to live there , keep your soul and be able to be a good witness bringing others to Christ. I submit to you that there are many dead souls in many feel good Churches happily checking the block in their happy little Wednesday bible Study group doing all the ‘right’ things outwardly, or wearing their Church hats. Finally some pastors are waking up and waking people up, have you read the book Not A Fan yet? Thank God for the Catholic Church the pillar and bulwark of the truth not bending to what makes the congregation ‘feel good’ or what 98% of all their members are doing wrong.