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I have been doing some research on the history of contraception and abortion for the Church and I’ve found out that a lot of herbs we put in our food (I’m British) originated as contraception or abortion drugs. Herbal lore comes from witchcraft. Witches put herbs or “herbal medicines” in their food and they call it herb magic. Drug comes from the Dutch droog meaning dried herb. According to some sources, the song “Are you going to Scarborough Fair, Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme” by Simon and Garfunkel is a recipe for abortifacient birth control.

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To find out more you’ll have to read this book: Cunningham’s Encyclopedia of Wicca in the Kitchen.
amazon.com/Cunninghams-Encyclopedia-Wicca-Kitchen-Cunningham/dp/0738702269#reader_0738702269
 
budgie2 said:
I have been doing some research on the history of contraception and abortion for the Church and I’ve found out that a lot of herbs we put in our food (I’m British) originated as contraception or abortion drugs. Herbal lore comes from witchcraft. Witches put herbs or “herbal medicines” in their food and they call it herb magic. Drug comes from the Dutch droog meaning dried herb. According to some sources, the song “Are you going to Scarborough Fair, Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme” by Simon and Garfunkel is a recipe for abortifacient birth control.
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I would hesitate to lump herbal lore in the same category as witchcraft. The sad truth is that the village wise women or men of yesteryear were often villified as witches, rather than honored for their ability to provide herbal medicines and remedies to their ailing neighbors. They were often scapegoated and accused of witchcraft, some of them ended up embracing the slanderous titles in order to protect themselves from those who might seek to harm them or take advantage of them. They were often poor, widowed and living alone, and seen by their neighbors as a burden upon society. These women (and sometimes men) also provided midwifery and dental services sometimes. Linking them to Satan or accusing them of witchcraft was an easy way to justify getting rid of that pesky neighbor that they didn’t want to have to care for.
With all that said, it is true that some of those people did have knowledge of how to use large doses of herbal extracts or decoctions to induce abortion or to prevent conception. That is objectively wrong, of course, but that doesn’t equate them with people practicing magic or witchcraft.
 
People were falsely accused of witchcraft for a lot of reasons… People also believed, some very smart ones in fact, that you could make Gold (alchemy).

As it’s obvious that those spices didn’t work as aborficients then I would just ignore this and enjoy whatever spices you like.

God gave us this earth, I’m quite sure spices and flavoring are not of the devil. 🙂

Joe
 
mommamaree said:
I would hesitate to lump herbal lore in the same category as witchcraft. The sad truth is that the village wise women or men of yesteryear were often villified as witches, rather than honored for their ability to provide herbal medicines and remedies to their ailing neighbors. They were often scapegoated and accused of witchcraft, some of them ended up embracing the slanderous titles in order to protect themselves from those who might seek to harm them or take advantage of them. They were often poor, widowed and living alone, and seen by their neighbors as a burden upon society. These women (and sometimes men) also provided midwifery and dental services sometimes. Linking them to Satan or accusing them of witchcraft was an easy way to justify getting rid of that pesky neighbor that they didn’t want to have to care for.
With all that said, it is true that some of those people did have knowledge of how to use large doses of herbal extracts or decoctions to induce abortion or to prevent conception. That is objectively wrong, of course, but that doesn’t equate them with people practicing magic or witchcraft.
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Hi,
Wisewomen are still part of the Wiccan religion, sorry to contradict you. I’ve done a lot of research on this subject and Wiccans have something called a Croning ceremony in which they appoint a wisewoman or cunning man. Witches with herbal knowledge are also called hedgewitches or solitaries. All wisewomen however may not have been part of covens and the wise woman’s knowledge is a precedent of modern medicine. Wisewomen were similar to witchdoctors in Africa.
 
budgie2 said:
Hi,
Wisewomen are still part of the Wiccan religion, sorry to contradict you. I’ve done a lot of research on this subject and Wiccans have something called a Croning ceremony in which they appoint a wisewoman or cunning man. Witches with herbal knowledge are also called hedgewitches or solitaries. All wisewomen however may not have been part of covens and the wise woman’s knowledge is a precedent of modern medicine. Wisewomen were similar to witchdoctors in Africa.
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Actually, what you said does not contradict my statement at all. Wicca is a thoroughly modern religion, no matter what some delusional people have claimed. Believe me on this, because I know way more about Wicca and witchcraft than what I probably should. The croning ceremony, the use of the word ‘wisewoman’ by modern day self-proclaimed witches, or ‘cunning man’, it is all an attempt to revive something many people feel was lost - a connection to nature, an honoring of age and wisdom, and knowledge of herbal remedies or other traditional practices. Covens are thoroughly modern inventions as well. The problem here is that some people, then and now, have decided to claim the word ‘witch’ (and the ‘craft’) as a way of turning what was once an insult back into a positive title. Witchcraft, as a term, has a couple of possible roots from Old English - it could have come from a word that meant ‘to bend’ or from a different word that meant ‘wise’. The truth of its roots has been lost to time. And so it goes today, as some people view herbal lore as a form of nature wisdom that predates modern medicine, while others view it as ‘voodoo’ or ‘hocus pocus’, illegitimate at best, sinister at worst. The point is these terms are so convoluted, but this is a Catholic forum, and most people here will read ‘witchcraft’ and think ‘Satan worshipper’ which is not a fair or accurate assumption depending upon the actual nature of the practices (such as herbal lore) that are being discussed.
This is why I tried to make a distinction, although there is truth in how you explain things too.
 
BTW, since you are British, could you answer an unrelated question for me? It occurred to me to ask because of your screen name, Budgie. What in the world is a budgerigar? I might have spelled it incorrectly, sorry. But it is not in any dictionary that I have looked in and it is such an odd word that I have never heard before. Thanks in advance if you are able to answer my silly question! 😃
 
mommamaree said:
BTW, since you are British, could you answer an unrelated question for me? It occurred to me to ask because of your screen name, Budgie. What in the world is a budgerigar? I might have spelled it incorrectly, sorry. But it is not in any dictionary that I have looked in and it is such an odd word that I have never heard before. Thanks in advance if you are able to answer my silly question! 😃
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I might be wrong, but I believe “budgerigar” is another word for parakeet.
 
The fact of the matter is I feel my food is drugged. A budgie is a type of bird. Using herbs in spaghetti bolognaise is a bit like hash cake or vodka jelly and not to be eaten during pregnancy.

Here are some tips for avoiding herbs: using butter, olive oil or dripping to fry meat, add a dash of wine, use some unusual ingredients such as pickled vegetables, sun dried tomatoes or a piece of fruit and experiment.

Here’s a comprehensive book on the subject of herbal birth control called Eve’s Herbs by John Riddle:
books.google.co.uk/books?id=Qq_DV6cP5wsC&printsec=frontcover&dq=eve’s+herbs&source=bl&ots=ejtI-XWP5K&sig=kwJ4LZFnrPA0jbIqko3XN8q9OAA&hl=en&ei=67rYS4ftL4Ki0gT0uInZBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false
 
This is fascinating, and it is good to know there are herbs to avoid if I ever become pregnant!

However, I really don’t like flavor and think we could all do with a lot less herbs and spices on our foods, so let’s get the word out! Down with flavor! 🙂
 
budgie2 said:
The fact of the matter is I feel my food is drugged. A budgie is a type of bird. Using herbs in spaghetti bolognaise is a bit like hash cake or vodka jelly and not to be eaten during pregnancy.
Here are some tips for avoiding herbs: using butter, olive oil or dripping to fry meat, add a dash of wine, use some unusual ingredients such as pickled vegetables, sun dried tomatoes or a piece of fruit and experiment.

Here’s a comprehensive book on the subject of herbal birth control called Eve’s Herbs by John Riddle:
books.google.co.uk/books?id=Qq_DV6cP5wsC&printsec=frontcover&dq=eve’s+herbs&source=bl&ots=ejtI-XWP5K&sig=kwJ4LZFnrPA0jbIqko3XN8q9OAA&hl=en&ei=67rYS4ftL4Ki0gT0uInZBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false
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A bit extreme, don’t you think? Just because herbs could possibly be used as birth control (which is a big if) doesn’t mean the quantities we use to flavor food would work the same. There is no evidence that herbs in our food cause any detrimental effects to pregnancy.
 
mini_me640 said:
A bit extreme, don’t you think? Just because herbs could possibly be used as birth control (which is a big if) doesn’t mean the quantities we use to flavor food would work the same. There is no evidence that herbs in our food cause any detrimental effects to pregnancy.
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Exactly! I can say ‘nutmeg is a hallucinogen’, and be correct, however you would have to consume extremely large quantities of it in one sitting to have even the slightest hallucinogenic effect, much more than the pinch people put in their cooking.

So it’s perfectly fine to consume dishes that include nutmeg in the cooking, and illogical to tell people to stop eating nutmeg because it’s a hallucinogen.

Same logic for these herbs. On the contrary, rosemary in particular has long been used in herbal medicine for its beneficial effects, such as improving memory and the like. It might be wise to avoid consuming gallons of rosemary tea if you’re pregnant, to be safe, but including a pinch in the bolognaise or on the roast will do no harm at all.
 
budgie2 said:
The fact of the matter is I feel my food is drugged. A budgie is a type of bird. Using herbs in spaghetti bolognaise is a bit like hash cake or vodka jelly and not to be eaten during pregnancy.

Here are some tips for avoiding herbs: using butter, olive oil or dripping to fry meat, add a dash of wine, use some unusual ingredients such as pickled vegetables, sun dried tomatoes or a piece of fruit and experiment.

Here’s a comprehensive book on the subject of herbal birth control called Eve’s Herbs by John Riddle:
books.google.co.uk/books?id=Qq_DV6cP5wsC&printsec=frontcover&dq=eve’s+herbs&source=bl&ots=ejtI-XWP5K&sig=kwJ4LZFnrPA0jbIqko3XN8q9OAA&hl=en&ei=67rYS4ftL4Ki0gT0uInZBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false
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Seriously - you’re putting vodka jelly on the same level as hash cookies?

A small amount of alcohol (and there physically can’t be a huge amount of vodka in a single jelly shot) every once in a while does no harm to mother or baby.

You shouldn’t, of course, have more than one shot at a time, nor consume alcohol daily or anything like daily, but one drink, once in a great while, does no harm.
 
budgie2 said:
Here are some tips for avoiding herbs: using butter, olive oil or dripping to fry meat, add a dash of wine, use some unusual ingredients such as pickled vegetables, sun dried tomatoes or a piece of fruit and experiment.
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Hehe, so instead of risking miscarriage by herb you want people to clog their arteries and risk heart attacks, strokes and hypertension?

A few years ago I discovered how to do herbal abortions, I was reading book for pregnant women and it said what herbs to avoid, however, it said that a woman would have to ingest a massive amount to cause a miscarriage.

There’s a common abortion technique using an excessive amount of oranges.

My cousin was a vegan during both her pregnancies, alcohol was out given the risk of foetal alcohol syndrome, and she used huge amounts of herbs, yet, she had two healthy pregnancies resulting in two healthy baby boys.

Honestly, I think you’re getting carried away.
 
budgie2 said:
I have been doing some research on the history of contraception and abortion for the Church and I’ve found out that a lot of herbs we put in our food (I’m British) originated as contraception or abortion drugs. Herbal lore comes from witchcraft. Witches put herbs or “herbal medicines” in their food and they call it herb magic. Drug comes from the Dutch droog meaning dried herb. According to some sources, the song “Are you going to Scarborough Fair, Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme” by Simon and Garfunkel is a recipe for abortifacient birth control.
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the song lyric is also a good recipe for turkey stuffing, so I doubt everyone who eats thanksgiving dinner is promoting abortion, nor that pregnant women should avoid stuffing.

there are all kinds of herbals and plants reputed to promote abortion, or more specifically to bring on delayed menses, these are the potions condemned in the apostolic letters and early Church fathers, along with traditional mechanical means of preventing conception, this condemnation which by extension to modern chemical means provides the unbroken link of Church moral teaching on the subject.

Not every herbal remedy is evil, even if coincidentally it is promoted by people with evil agendas.
 
puzzleannie said:
the song lyric is also a good recipe for turkey stuffing, so I doubt everyone who eats thanksgiving dinner is promoting abortion, nor that pregnant women should avoid stuffing. . . .
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I love you.

Every now and then I’m reading a thread and saying to myself, “Self, I can’t believe people are having this conversation. And I can’t belive you’re participating.”

Then I read a gem like your post, and it all becomes worthwhile.

Pax,
OA
 
Yes, it’s true spices and herbs were used by many cultures for medicinal , contraceptive and abortive purposes. Most of that knowledge was lost. Earlier women also knew something about their cycles and that knowledge was lost for a time from what I understand as well. Yes, herbs and spices were used for immoral purposes as well by people who understood those uses.
Many of our medicines today were created chemically by studying and recreating the makeup of the chemicals in plants that were used medicinally.

Spices and herbs are also used for food flavorings and have been through the ages.

There are many things that have multiple purposes in life. Nothing to get in a snit over.
The quantities for usage are pretty much different . No one is accidentally aborting their babies after eating a flavorful dinner.
 
puzzleannie said:
the song lyric is also a good recipe for turkey stuffing, so I doubt everyone who eats thanksgiving dinner is promoting abortion, nor that pregnant women should avoid stuffing.

there are all kinds of herbals and plants reputed to promote abortion, or more specifically to bring on delayed menses, these are the potions condemned in the apostolic letters and early Church fathers, along with traditional mechanical means of preventing conception, this condemnation which by extension to modern chemical means provides the unbroken link of Church moral teaching on the subject.

Not every herbal remedy is evil, even if coincidentally it is promoted by people with evil agendas.
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The thing is that we don’t know where our food has come from. We could have inherited witch recipes and pagan recipes which are pre-Christian. Just because it’s acceptable for a non-Christian to put contraception in their food doesn’t mean it’s acceptable for me.
 
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