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No, because the rest is being in Heaven. Raised unto glory, the saints enter Heaven both body and soul.
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“Eternal rest” is not so much “eternal sleep” as “eternal vacation.” Rest, do fun activities, bask in the beauty around you, whatever pleases you. No more labor, no more pain, no more loss — only the good stuff, and better than anything we could have here because it’s all in the direct presence of God.
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It is obligatory for Catholics to believe that the Particular Judgment is distinct from the General Judgment and that at least some of the saints attain the Beatific Vision before the General Judgment.
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AlbMagno
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Okay.
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orrcat
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Since I asked this question because I’m interested in connecting the music with the text…
Given how this passage is expressed in Mozart’s music, very still very soothing and at the same time a bit unsettling, like the fear of God or something, my interpretation (of his interpretation) of this is that this is not what he illustrates musically, fun and vacation.
Rather something like…
But this of course my personal interpretation.
This would mainly be the introduction of his requiem: “Introitus - Requiem aeternam”. The ending “Lux aeterna” is not really written by Mozart, rather built upon the musical fragments from the Introitus.
I haven’t really listened to other musical requiem masses, but I know Verdi’s ends with “Libera me, Domine” instead of “Lux Aeterna” moving focus from eternal rest to remission.
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That sounds a lot like retirement without the money (or lack thereof) factor.
I retired three years ago — went back to work on a temporary contract job to earn some extra cash, which I may do again in the future from time to time — and I now have time to study, to travel simply two or three times a year (everything in retirement has to be “simple” because the money is limited), sell things on eBay, homeschool my son, care for disabled elderly family members, dote on my feral cats, play with my electronics, and so on. Poor worthless old coot…
I have left detailed, explicit instructions in my will for the Traditional Latin Requiem Mass with exsequial graveside rites. I do not want a contemporary “Mass of Christian Burial” with white vestments, a white pall, and so on. I attended a TLM Requiem once time (father of a friend who died suddenly) and from that moment on, I knew that is what I want when my time comes.
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MiserereMeiDei
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I walked in on one by accident. Hauntingly beautiful.
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Me too, except it’s not in a will, but with my priest. Yet to alter current will to reflect this…
People are having difficulty with the term “rest” because they associate it with the common meaning of sleep or nap.
“Rest” here is not in the same meaning as “sleep.” “Rest” here means the cessation of work or activity. One who is at home watching TV with a beer after a hard day’s work is resting. A jogger who pauses to cool off in the shade is resting. In both cases, they are fully awake and aware.
“Rest” for the dead is simply the cessation of the state of work (for the militant state) or purification (for the suffering state).
Contemplating the Beatific Vision is eternal rest, because our toils are ended.
“Rest” here is not in the same meaning as “sleep.” “Rest” here means the cessation of work or activity. One who is at home watching TV with a beer after a hard day’s work is resting. A jogger who pauses to cool off in the shade is resting. In both cases, they are fully awake and aware.
“Rest” for the dead is simply the cessation of the state of work (for the militant state) or purification (for the suffering state).
Contemplating the Beatific Vision is eternal rest, because our toils are ended.
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