Contradictions in the Qu'ran

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What I want is proof that the Angel Gabriel appeared to Mohammed at all! 😦
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Booklover,

With all honesty, muslims cannot answer those questions because Muhammad (msrp) didn’t have witnesses to substantiate his claim that the angel Gabriel appeared to him. He just wrote it in his Quran and people started believing his lies.

Unlike the Lord Jesus Christ that there were his followers who listened to him, heared what he said, saw with their eyes what miracles he performed, witnessed dead people coming back to life, see with their eyes people being healed, lame walking again, etc. etc. etc. Those are the witnesses who witnessed to others and eventually were written and became what we now know as the New Testament.

The big difference between the founders of Christianity and Islam is that the former has witnesses while the latter has not.

Pio
 
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Booklover,

With all honesty, muslims cannot answer those questions because Muhammad (msrp) didn’t have witnesses to substantiate his claim that the angel Gabriel appeared to him. He just wrote it in his Quran and people started believing his lies.

Unlike the Lord Jesus Christ that there were his followers who listened to him, heared what he said, saw with their eyes what miracles he performed, witnessed dead people coming back to life, see with their eyes people being healed, lame walking again, etc. etc. etc. Those are the witnesses who witnessed to others and eventually were written and became what we now know as the New Testament.

Pio
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**EUREKA! FINALLY SOMEBODY SAID IT! HE MADE IT ALL UP! I’VE BEEN WANTING TO SAY IT FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.:dancing: **
 
What is the greatest act of love Allah ever performed? Did he send an incarnation of himself down to Earth to sacrifice himself, suffering on a cross with his hands and feet nailed into it? Did he say that he loves all his creations, no matter what? Did he ever say that whenever somebody prays, he will hear it, no matter in what language? The answer to all of these is NO. Why should I convert from a religion where every answer to all of those questions is YES? Why should I convert to a religion where God tells people to go to war for his own sake, and to blow themselves up so that they can go to Paradise? Why should I convert to a religion where you only obtain Salvation by doing things that Allah likes, whether they be good or bad? Why should I go convert to a religion where a God orders His people to kill all nonbelievers? Yahweh doesn’t do that. Yahweh is a God Of Love and Justice. Allah is a God Of Fear. Yahweh is not Allah. They are worlds apart. Tell me, what is the greatest act of love Allah ever performed?
 
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****EUREKA! FINALLY SOMEBODY SAID IT! HE MADE IT ALL UP! I’VE BEEN WANTING TO SAY IT FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.:dancing: ****

Yup, and so many people believe his writings that doesn’t have a backing of witnesses.

Jesus made sure that He had witnesses: His Father and the people who came to believe in him. Even the demons recognized who He was. Muhammad—yaraw! (N-O-N-E).

Pio**
 
Quote: “Islam regards its teachings to be a re-affirmation and culmination of the teachings of previous monotheistic religions like Judaism and Christianity. Hence, all Muslims believe in Moses and Jesus as Prophets of God.”
Source: www.islamic-city.com/JesusInIslam/Jesus.htm
 
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Karin:
Quote: “Islam regards its teachings to be a re-affirmation and culmination of the teachings of previous monotheistic religions like Judaism and Christianity. Hence, all Muslims believe in Moses and Jesus as Prophets of God.”
Source: www.islamic-city.com/JesusInIslam/Jesus.htm
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not entirely correct.

Islam regards all previous religions in light of the islamic version.

for example, it disregards Christ’s divinity, it says that his crucifixion never happened, and he wasn’t the Son of God.

Like say I believe in history, only my version of it

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Chazemataz:
Have you ever heard stories of people being miracously healed after praying to Allah? Has Muhammad ever appeared and have people taken his picture? Do you have holy water springs that have healing capabilities as well? Have any of your Worship Leaders(I dont know what they are called) exorcised a demon in Allah’s name? Also, Emad, why should I give up my Christian religion fro a God who only loves Muslims? Yahweh loves everybody. Jesus gave up His life on the cross to die for the sins of the world. has Allah ever sacrificed himself for his people? What is the greatest act of love Allah has performed? Why should I convert from a religion where my God has sacrificed Himself so that my, and everybody else’s sins may be forgiven. And Yahweh loves everybody, even people like Saddam. Allah only loves Muslims.
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Do you believe in Hell? Who is it that puts these people in Hell…do these people just wander over to hell by themselves?

Who judges people on Judgement day and decides where they go

Truth is. God puts the people who deserve hell, IN HELL.

I honestly believe that the Christian concept of “God loves the sinner, he hates the sin” is really dishonest. Those sinners get put in hell if they dont repent and if God chooses not to forgive them.

Or do you not believe in hell
 
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Faith101:
Do you believe in Hell? Who is it that puts these people in Hell…do these people just wander over to hell by themselves?

Who judges people on Judgement day and decides where they go

Truth is. God puts the people who deserve hell, IN HELL.

I honestly believe that the Christian concept of “God loves the sinner, he hates the sin” is really dishonest. Those sinners get put in hell if they dont repent and if God chooses not to forgive them.

Or do you not believe in hell
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So what’s your point? I don’t understand where you’re coming from. God is always ready to forgive the repentant sinner. Have you ever heard the story of the prodigal son?
 
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Faith101:
Do you believe in Hell? Who is it that puts these people in Hell…do these people just wander over to hell by themselves?

Who judges people on Judgement day and decides where they go

Truth is. God puts the people who deserve hell, IN HELL.

I honestly believe that the Christian concept of “God loves the sinner, he hates the sin” is really dishonest. Those sinners get put in hell if they dont repent and if God chooses not to forgive them.

Or do you not believe in hell
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Excuse me? When did I say I don’t believe in Hell? And God (Yahweh) loves all people. However, the reason He puts people in Hell is because THEY don’t love HIM! If you commit sins, then you are not following God and therefore do not love Him by following His law. God ALWAYS forgives people! ALWAYS! That is the basic teaching of Christianity. I dont know if Allah always forgives people but Yahweh does. The only unforgiveable sin is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit- which if you are asking forgiveness for it, or are Christian you never commited it, because only those who don’t believe in God commit it.
 
In the name of Allah

Hlgomez, I noticed some of your nonlogical claims you’ve made below that if you apply it to the bible, it demolishes it as well. For example you said that there is no proof that the angel gabriel spoke to the Prophet (P) question to you is, Do you have proof that the “holy spirit” speaks to you?

Hlgomez, please show me and tell me how your can prove to me that the “holy spirit” speaks to you. Until you can prove to me or the Muslims that the “Holy Spirit” speaks to you, please don’t ask nonsense questions as you’ve done below. You are in manifest error…Tawba
 
In the name of Allah

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Ryanl**: I have actually discussed this at length on my Isa, Jesus, Mary, Miriam, and Linguistics thread. If you have new material to bring to the table, please do it there. If you don’t have new material…well…my argument on that thread stands.

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Jermin Savory**: Ryan, none of your arguments have stood or still stands, how can you tell me how to translate words in the Qur’an brother! and your always talking as though you know Qur’an more than me or the Muslims on this forum. Look…why don’t you dedicate a topic just for me and you only so that we can discuss. Just me and you, no one else. And concerning your “Contradictions,” i’m not even going to reply to them, they are poor example of deliberately reinterpreting the Qur’an.
 
Can a Muslim please tell me what they think Allah made mankind out of? Clay? Blood? Sperm? Thin air? That is the biggest contradiction that I still haven’t seen anybody answer yet.
 
QUOTE=Chazemataz]What is the greatest act of love Allah ever performed?
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The greatest? there are too many to name…but one that comes to mind right now is the fact that He forgives us for all our sins. Like He forgave Adam and Eve. Not only that, but He asssures us that EVERY newborn is born sinless, in a state of purity. He assures us that if we were to make sins as wide and deep as the ocean, all we have to do is ask His forgiveness and He will forgive us.

HE tells us that He is closer to us than our own jugular vein. That when we go to Him walking He come to us running. That He loves his servants and tests them to increase them in faith.
Did he send an incarnation of himself down to Earth to sacrifice himself, suffering on a cross with his hands and feet nailed into it?
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God suffers? wow…do you actually think about you are saying here? What is the difference between us and him then?
Did he say that he loves all his creations, no matter what?
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God says He loves all those who repent. As for the people who choose disobedience, He warns them of the punishment. He doesnt say “i love you” and then in the afterlife they are surprised with a severe punishment. He is straightforward.

His mercy is what we are depending on to go to Paradise.
Did he ever say that whenever somebody prays, he will hear it, no matter in what language?
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YES. He will, as He wills, answer the call of every supplicant who calls on Him.
Why should I convert to a religion where you only obtain Salvation by doing things that Allah likes, whether they be good or bad? Why should I go convert to a religion where a God orders His people to kill all nonbelievers?
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For your own sake, I encourage you to study TRUE Islam, and not the media-presented version. In all honesty, your conclusion about Islam is NOT TRUE. I swear, as God is my witness, that there is NO god worthy of worship but God alone…and He is the most merciful, most Kind, the loving.
 
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Chazemataz:
Can a Muslim please tell me what they think Allah made mankind out of? Clay? Blood? Sperm? Thin air? That is the biggest contradiction that I still haven’t seen anybody answer yet.
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Yes I will be glad to explain it to you. Clay=Adam Sperm is the first phase, blood or a clot is the second phase, then the soul (not air).

Did you know that the Quran speaks about the creation of a baby in the mothers womb exactly as scientists explain it today? Please read this article harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_p1_08.php#1 It speaks about the miracles of the Quran (specifically the creation of man).
 
The Quran is full of contradictions, as is the Bible. And both sides use the same apologetics to explain them away, “it must be read in [textual|historical] context”, “that word means not really what it means”, …
The real fun begins, when it comes down to “this passage in book A is wrong, because book B says otherwise”.
Very entertaining.
 
In the name of Allah

Chazemataz: Can a Muslim please tell me what they think Allah made mankind out of? Clay? Blood? Sperm? Thin air? That is the biggest contradiction that I still haven’t seen anybody answer yet.

Jermin Savory: You guys are doing no good to yourselves by copying all of these fake “Contradictions” from the anti islam sites. Now Chazemataz, your question isn’t logical, you could have figured this answer out yourself.

Your answer simply implies indirectly that if I’m making a cake, i’m contradicting myself. Brother, to make a cake you’ll need, butty, fruits, eggs, milk, sugar, flower ect. Likewise, when Allah has created you an me, he has fashoned us from, Clay, dirt, sperm and blood ect. These are the things that consist in the creation of the Human being Brother, Please analyze your body on this point and tell me which of of the components that i’ve just listed are lacking. Then you’ll see that your question makes no sense.

I can’t believe what people call contradictions…Chazemataz my brother, the above is not a contradiction, it is CONTRADISTINCTION.

An Atheist: The Qur’an is full of contradictoins.

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Jermin Savory**: Incorrect, you don’t find contradictions reinterpreting, misconscreuing verses and pulling meanings out of context, thats not how you find a contradictions. None of your supposed or alleged “contradictions” are True. There are all examples of your misunderstandings, Misconceptions and misconcrueing of the verses.
 
Jermin - so then you are saying that Allah “needed” to use something to create man? There are two categories here (dirt and clay which are inert matter) and (blood and sperm which are biological matter). as to what is lacking in our bodies, you lack the spirit or soul without which we are no more than animals.
 
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But for Grace**: Jermin - so then you are saying that Allah “needed” to use something to create man? There are two categories here (dirt and clay which are inert matter) and (blood and sperm which are biological matter). as to what is lacking in our bodies, you lack the spirit or soul without which we are no more than animals.

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Jermin Savory**: No, i’m not saying that HE “needed” to use something to create man, I logically showed that the human body, is made up from a drop of emmited sperm, blood, clay ect. What does your statment have to do with what the body was fashioned with?
 
Jermin - if you had paid attention to the origional question on the creation of man (post #33) you would see that it does not pretain to the creation of each human by means of natural generation, but to the creation of the human race, or to Adam if you will. This in mind the useage of blood or sperm are irrellevant as there was no human for the blood and sperm to come from. So to restate the question, how did Allah create the first man?

if you do not know the answer than say so, we will not hold it against you, but do not continue to misconstrue the questions in an effort to make others appear to be ignorant as it will cause many to ignore any positive contributions you might make to the converation.
 
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