I mean specifically. Lumen Gentium explains how people are save, not who.What about those Lumen Gentium words quoted back there? Sounded like the Church saying who is not saved to me. What am I missing in there that does not say who is not saved?
It is quite clear that no matter what is said or what Scripture is cited that you have your own belief that will not be changed. You are responsible for your own soul, nobody else. If you are led to water, but refuse to drink, then that is your own lookout. It is regrettable that you once had the Truth, but exchanged it for the easy way out. Kinda like turning down a banquet in exchange for a baloney sandwich. Go in peace.
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I just reread back there what was posted from Lumen Gentium and help me please. Are you saying it doesn’t say a person can not be saved if they know the Church and do not enter it or do not remain within it? If it does say that, how is that not saying who specifically can not be saved? What part of “Do not judge” (another’s salvation) does the Church not get?You don’t see where Catholics think it’s His body and blood. That’s why you need to look in a Catholic Bible and you’ll see.
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No, but saying “This” which can only refer to what He is holding up for them to see, clearly indicates that He was identifying the bread and wine as His body and blood.
We aren’t supposed to pretend we’re stupid; that’s not what “do not judge” means.Still
Jesus has been identified as the bread of life which bread was a main staple back then and he used bread to identify with the people.To futher identfy with the people and his disciples he used bread as a symbol of his body. When he said eat it and you shall have eternal life means if you believe in me you will never go hungry meaning your spiritual life unlike eating bread that is just for food you will hunger again and again. When he took the bread and raised it for the blessing he said this is my body which will be given up for you, once again using the bread which the disciples could identify with as a symbol that the bread of life was going to die for them and that the should remember his sacrifice when he said do this in rememberance of me. And the same thing with the wine, it was a main staple that people could identify with. When he said the is my blood, using the wine because they could identify with the wine, the blood of the New Covanent, that will be shed for you so sins may be forgiven. He was using the wine to symbolize his blood that was going to be shed and that we should remember the blood that was shed as a sacrifice he made for our sins. So we are to remember the sacrifice that Jesus made for us everytime we celebrate the Lord’s Supped.No, but saying “This” which can only refer to what He is holding up for them to see, clearly indicates that He was identifying the bread and wine as His body and blood.
Why should He have bothered with symbols? What does it achieve, to pretend to eat Jesus body and blood? If it’s only a meaningless symbol, wouldn’t it be more sensible for Him to have commanded people to read the Bible and listen to preaching?
Eucharisteo, I’m confused how when the Church says in Lumen Gentium if someone knows the Church but either does not enter her or does not remain in her, then that specific person can not be saved. And how that fits with Christ telling us not to judge another’s salvation.
You don’t know my situation so don’t assume you do. I have had my doubts many, many, many years before I became a Baptist. Once again you are assuming without knowing.
Fact of the matter is that the Baptist faith is a LAZY faith. No works, no strings, no responsibilities. The only effort put forth is to proof text a dead faith
He needed something as a symbol instead of pointing at himself. What are you going to point at so you can remember him. Thats like saying why did Jesus use parables instead of just saying what he meant.Why should He have bothered with symbols? What does it achieve, to pretend to eat Jesus body and blood? If it’s only a meaningless symbol, wouldn’t it be more sensible for Him to have commanded people to read the Bible and listen to preaching?
If He meant that in order to get the Bread of Life which is Himself, you have to believe in Him, then why did He confuse the issue by holding up actual bread and saying “This” (the bread) is my body." Instead of leaving the bread aside, and just pointing at Himself?
What does the bread refer to, though? The parables refer to Heaven. When you understand the meaning of the parable, you understand something about Heaven.He needed something as a symbol instead of pointing at himself. What are you going to point at so you can remember him. Thats like saying why did Jesus use parables instead of just saying what he meant.
That IS funny. It would have been a lot simpler for Our Lord to have said “every time you see the sunset, remember Me,” Or, “whenever you hear a bird sing,think of Me.”He needed something as a symbol instead of pointing at himself. What are you going to point at so you can remember him. Thats like saying why did Jesus use parables instead of just saying what he meant.
This is uncalled for.I have not said anything dirogitory about the CC but you seem to think its alright for you to. Go ahead. Your arogance don’t bother me.
Who cares? Start your own thread, already.
