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I found no real space for me on the poll. I reluctantly chose one as a forced choice option, though. I was called by God to my current location. This is the only reason why I converted.

I had faith in God before and after switching religious affiliation. That is, the same one.
 
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santaro75:
Ahhh man! not another denomination! what will you call it?
I don’t call it anything other than what I have: heresy. In fact, I don’t talk about it very much with other Christians. Here, it’s safe. Most of the readers of these fora are Catholics, who are effectively insulated against the kind of things that I say. The remainder of the readers are either sufficiently open-minded to consider the ideas critically or sufficiently closed-minded to ignore them completely. Were I to attend a Protestant church and to start disseminating my ideas, I could easily shipwreck someone else’s faith. I will not be responsible for yet another division within the Christian Church.

My Beloved and I do not attend church very regularly, and, when we do, we attend a very liberal Catholic church.
 
Guys, I’ll bring the beers if the steaks and amrshmellows are provided.

I consider myself a devout heretic as well! and one of those ‘evil-liberals’ (even if I voted conservative last Federal and Provincial elections). I take comfort in the fact that I joing other liberals like Lord Acton, John Henry Cardinal Newman, Louis Olivier Marie Duchesne, Thomas More, Erasmus, Thomas Aquinas, Henri de Lubac, Jacques Maritain, Etienne Gilson, Frederick Copleston, Theodor Klauser, Karl Rahner, Eduard Schillibeeeckx, Hans Kung, Yves Congar, the young Avery Dulles, the young Joseph Ratzinger, Gilbert Keith Chesterton, Hilaire Belloc…

We keep terrible company.

Adam
 
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amarischuk:
Guys, I’ll bring the beers if the steaks and marshmellows are provided.

I consider myself a devout heretic as well! and one of those ‘evil-liberals’ (even if I voted conservative last Federal and Provincial elections). I take comfort in the fact that I joining other liberals like Lord Acton, John Henry Cardinal Newman, Louis Olivier Marie Duchesne, Thomas More, Erasmus, Thomas Aquinas, Henri de Lubac, Jacques Maritain, Etienne Gilson, Frederick Copleston, Theodor Klauser, Karl Rahner, Eduard Schillibeeeckx, Hans Kung, Yves Congar, the young Avery Dulles, the young Joseph Ratzinger, Gilbert Keith Chesterton, Hilaire Belloc…

We keep terrible company.

Adam
 
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amarischuk:
Guys, I’ll bring the beers if the steaks and amrshmellows are provided… I take comfort in the fact that I joing other liberals like Lord Acton, John Henry Cardinal Newman, Louis Olivier Marie Duchesne, Thomas More, Erasmus, Thomas Aquinas, Henri de Lubac, Jacques Maritain, Etienne Gilson, Frederick Copleston, Theodor Klauser, Karl Rahner, Eduard Schillibeeeckx, Hans Kung, Yves Congar, the young Avery Dulles, the young Joseph Ratzinger, Gilbert Keith Chesterton, Hilaire Belloc…
Yes, but can any of them play guitar?
 
I have moved from Catholicism to Buddhism to New Age to Wicca (2 years) to Pentecostalism, and finally Catholicism. I’m quite tempted to go into Islam (Sufism), or better yet, Baha’ism, but I really don’t want to convert anymore.

In all this time, I have always believed in God.
 
Are any of my more liberal brothers worried about the impact of the conservative/fundamentalist protestants in the US joining the Catholic Church?

Our liberal Catholic education system I believe has gone too far, where even to claim Catholicism is politically incorrect; however, the advent of conservative Catholic education is not producing decent scholars or scholarship.
 
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amarischuk:
Are any of my more liberal brothers worried about the impact of the conservative/fundamentalist protestants in the US joining the Catholic Church?
I would expect that it would be beneficial to both: the ex-Protestants would bring their familiarity with the Bible into Catholicism, which would mellow out their literalist reading of same, allowing them to understand the text better.
Our liberal Catholic education system I believe has gone too far, where even to claim Catholicism is politically incorrect; however, the advent of conservative Catholic education is not producing decent scholars or scholarship.
There is no particular reason why it should. There is a difference between good-Catholic scholars and good, Catholic scholars.

If you take scholars and train them to be good Catholics, you will have good-Catholic scholars: i.e., good Catholics, but not necessarily good scholars.

If you take Catholics and train them to be good scholars, you will have good, Catholic scholars: i.e., good scholars, but not necessarily good Catholics.

It all depends upon what you want.
 
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Mystophilus:
I would expect that it would be beneficial to both: the ex-Protestants would bring their familiarity with the Bible into Catholicism, which would mellow out their literalist reading of same, allowing them to understand the text better.
I have notice the opposite trend, where the former protestants are leading the charge against more liberal Catholic positions such as evolution and creation and further instilling more literal interpretations and even Bible-worship.
There is no particular reason why it should. There is a difference between good-Catholic scholars and good, Catholic scholars.

If you take scholars and train them to be good Catholics, you will have good-Catholic scholars: i.e., good Catholics, but not necessarily good scholars.

If you take Catholics and train them to be good scholars, you will have good, Catholic scholars: i.e., good scholars, but not necessarily good Catholics.

It all depends upon what you want.
What I meant is that I want good scholarly research and discussion revolving around Catholicism and in the magisterium. The moral behaviour of the scholar has no bearing on the value of the scholarship. Good behaviour (even for a Catholic) does not correspond to good scholarship. The inquisition has recently also presented a “we could have cared less” argument about moral behaviour in its censureship of Kung and Curran (along with the editor of America, whose name excapes me). All three were morally above reproach, it was their teachings and writings that upset the reactionary holy office.

The question is: with this “new advent” or springtime, where is the corresponding scholarship? I am sorry but Han and Kreeft don’t cut the mustard in comparison with the past greats ranging from von Balthasar to Rahner and Maritain. This ‘Springtime’ has a decidedly indian summer feel to it. It caries all the traits of popular religious revival but it seems to have Islamic/Mormon and Protestant equivalents. It is an emotional hysteria which will carry Catholicism in a fundamentalist direction or it will fizzle out entirely.

Adam
 
raised as a BAPTIST, I didn’t agree with a lot of the “traditional” teachings (alcohol being a sin), or the “popular” ones like (the rapture), but after significant studies I found out I was actually a CATHOLIC

then I came “HOME”:bowdown:
 
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