CONVERTS, do you have a moment?

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I have not converted…yet. I’m still thinking that I might very well do so, feeling the strongest pull that at times is almost painful, but there are still some issues I need to work out.

Anyway, I live in St Louis, which is a beautiful city (provided you don’t go north of Delmar Blvd), and very, very Catholic. I was raised, however, a die-hard LCMS Lutheran. My grandmother hated Catholics with a passion. My aunt merely considered converting to the Catholic faith because she was marrying one, and my grandmother did not speak to her for two years. She eventually bullied both my aunt and her husband into being Protestants. My mother wasn’t quite so forceful but certainly was not a fan. My father played at religion when I was a child, but had to hide his contempt at faith, which was very difficult for him. Now he’s not so shy these days… He’s living proof that life without God is misery.

Anyway, I went to a Lutheran school and honestly didn’t even know other religions existed. We lived in a Lutheran bubble. One project I had to do for school was to visit the Old Cathedral on the riverfront as a historic St Louis building. I was intrigued by the inside, with its altars and a deep feeling of sanctity.

There was always something drifting in my head making me admire Catholicism. It made no sense since I was raised to hate it. The Pope came to visit our city in 1999 and seeing people line up to offer devotion to him was really over my head. Then in an audience he mentioned the recent St Louis baseball season and the crowd LOST IT. That is a fond memory. The Pope seemed approachable then.

Although for a while I was a devout Lutheran, I couldn’t deny that next to a Catholic church, it was empty. I remember in confirmation class our pastor asking us how we knew we were saved. We stared at each other. He told us it was because we were so awfully repentant for every sin we ever committed. I couldn’t even keep track of all the sins I committed! And he knew it, so he said that we were sorry for all our sins because of our faith. Gulp. I didn’t know how that worked out. It all seemed very vague and hard to define.

I decided at about 18 that I was just too good and smart for Christianity. I grew to hate it intensely, and campaigned and railed against it, but somehow I never felt sincere when hating on Catholicism. I would go through periods of admitting and denying my love for it.

During an admitting period I talked my mother into taking me to the New Cathedral, the seat of the Archbishop. I am telling you now, if you have never seen the cathedral in St Louis, you have not lived. When I entered it I felt like the builders had done their best to approximate Heaven. It was silent. There were chapels on all sides, for different purposes of prayer. For some reason that made infinite sense to me. But I fell away. I gave in to the Devil.

I got involved in New Age, Buddhism and Hinduism. Like I said, I was too smart for Christianity, and I think that insufferable pride is what kept me from being a Christian. I was enlightened, I was literally God, master of my own destiny and as a future Ascended Master/bodhisattva/Sri Guruni, I was also influential in the running of the universe. Christians were to be pitied and reviled, but everyone else was okay. They were all on wonderful spiritual paths. They weren’t as good as me, of course - I was wise beyond my years due to all of my previous lives, which I was getting close to wrapping up. But as long as they were faithful and did what was right, they were good to go. It was all relative.

So try seeing 9/11 and telling yourself that it was okay because those terrorists were just doing what they truly believed was right in God’s eyes. The massacres of Christians in the middle east because of their faith, I tried to tell myself, was just cultural differences. But if, as I believed, there was no such thing as “wrong” or “right”, just forward or backward (and I couldn’t know what was so for other people), then why did it feel so wrong?

One night I had a nightmare. I’d been confused and fumbling towards my goal of enlightenment for a while. Basically, my dream was God saying to me, “You want to be Me? You think you’re Me? You want to run the universe? Go ahead, give it a shot.” The best way I can describe it is to say that it was like that scene in the last Indiana Jones movie, in which the Soviet psychic was destroyed by being overwhelmed with things beyond her comprehension when she begged the aliens to grant her the knowledge of everything. It was incredibly humbling. I had never been “one with God” because I was His creation. This nightmare had such an impact on me that I had a panic attack that lasted for two days. My world and the way I had constructed it was destroyed.

I’m waaaaaaaay rambling here. But to put it simply I discovered I could not through my own merits save myself or make myself godlike. I needed a savior. I started attending an Anglican church shortly after. Whether or not my pilgrimage will take me to Rome remains to be seen.

I would like to add as a footnote that we do have a need to bring people to Christ, because like them, I was in that darkness and in a single night descended into the horror and despair that life apart from the true God is.
Wow! Thanks for sharing your journey, Nabooru! Beautifully done!

One more question: what does your screenname mean?
 
It’s from my fave character from a Legend of Zelda game. Now that Skyward Sword has come out, I think I like that one better, though.
 
Thank you all for your wonderful moments. I love reading the journeys of others.
 
(continued from before?)

So, since I am unemployed, and at home all day, and live with my elderly mother, I need to do something to maintain some sense of purpose… and my bedroom here is stacked full with boxes all containing bits and pieces and odds and ends of the life I lived when I was raising my 3 kids as a single mom.

So I’m cleaning out boxes and giving stuff to the apartment complex washroom so other people can take anything they want for free… and stuff is going out by the bag fulls. And I find this box of little brownish, white, grey and black rocks left over from some arts and crafts project of many years ago… and another box has a very large bottle of old white acrylic paint that is not dried up, despite it having been in that box for probably well over 7 years… and some pieces of fake plant left over from an aquarium that was here in 2001…and cardboard and masking tape and markers and other acrylic paints in small bottles of blue and gold and white and an old ‘tin’ that has a round lid…

Now many many years ago I used to be a preschool teacher, and one thing we did as a class project was make a ‘ride on dinosaur’ out of recyled plastic milk jugs… and flour and water we have already. So, I move this old wooden box that has been buried under stuff in a corner, and under it is an old bible that I’ve had for years and somehow, heaven only knows how it got there, but it was there. I haven’t even looked for the thing in I can’t begin to imagine how many years, but there it is… and here I’ve been haunted by this image of something inside this box that is grey and has rocks and a white figure, and now this time I say Okay God, Mary, whoever… I have NO idea how you expect this image to happen that you keep sending me, but lets take it out on the patio and see what happens.

So… first I paint the inside and outside of the box white (surprisingly the paint is still fine), and then I use a permanent marker to write the entire Our Father prayer on the inside of the back of it… and then paint over it with grey paint I make with combining black and white and then I go inside and figure okay, that was interesting… but I have no idea what to do now…

And then the next day, suddenly my mother has a bag of newspaper to go out in the trash… and the mailman delivers a box of medicine that she asks me if I want it for anything… and the paper towel holder needs changing and all this stuff ends up in the cardboard box… and suddenly I know what to do next! The image of what to do just comes to me like I’m watching a ‘how to’ video!

So, I crumple up the newspaper, and cut out a corner of the box and use the paper towel holder and use the masking tape to wrap all around these things, until I have a ‘platform’ piece about 4 inches high, with sides made with crumpled balls of paper, and the paper towel tube cut in half and put on each side, and a flap of the box that is ‘curved’ up and over so it makes the ‘archway’ over the platform… and now I slather the whole thing in paper mache (flour and water)…and now I’m seeing, this is going to be the ‘rock alcove’… just paint is grey and use darker grey and black for shadows and the back… and it turned out the little cut out area of the box that makes the platform looks just like the ‘edge’ you see right in front of the statue of Our Lady that is at Lourdes…

On the Internet I find a little plastic 4 inch high figure of Mary that is about all I can afford, and this box is 15 inches tall, so that seems too small. Now, completely unassociated with the grotto stuff, my RCIA sponsor wants me to come to a Monday class that the parish gives for ‘Adult Formation’… and I am utterly and extremely nervous because now these are regular people in the parish, and in my few weeks I’ve only been around the RCIA people, and I still have little idea where this is all going… So i go even though I am very nervous… and it is the RCIA head team member who is the teacher!

I’ve only seen him like two or three times so far, and I haven’t told ANYONE about the incident at the library yet… and I’m extremely shy anyway… But for some reason, I just HAD to go up to him at the break and tell him about the library and the book and the lady - and he turns around and tells me he’s been to Lourdes, several times… the next week then I tell him about the grotto, and he asks me if I have a statue of Mary and I tell him I might be getting a little plastic one and he asks me if I am happy with it and I really don’t know how to answer that.

The next week when I go outside for break, when I come back, there is an 8 inch tall marble like statue of Mary! He tells he he got it at Lourdes, it was blessed at Lourdes and it’s been in his office and he’s given it to several other people at times, but it keeps coming back… and he says ‘now I know why - she was waiting for you’… and I’m just so blown away I still can’t thank him enough! And guess what - it fits PERFECTLY inside the archway, standing on the little platform that now painted grey looks like the rock wall of the grotto at Lourdes…

But the grotto is still under construction because I really have No clue as how to replicate it all… Week by week, the end of a mailing tube and the top of a large plastic milk carton and the lid of a medicine bottle… each cut out in the center to let a straw pass through… paint that black and now I’ll have that tiered candelabra if I make little rolled paper candles…Paint the inside of the round lid of the small tin blue, glue some of the rocks around it, and there is the spring… the rest of the rocks go on the ‘floor’, with little bits of the artificial greenery here and there to be the ‘weeds’ Bernadette ate… Each step of the way these ideas just ‘come’… like I am seeing some wierd ‘how to make a grotto’ video that runs in my head, but I only get a new chapter when I get to that step…

So, by now, like probably many RCIA people, I have started to amass little holy cards I get from the church gift store or that people in the formation class or my sponsor give me, I have 2 rosaries, one is plastic and costs all of a dollar and one that is wood, like Bernadette’s was wood, but only the wood one has been blessed, and I’m starting to carry one or the other around. Every week I take a picture of the little grotto with my phone so I can show the teacher and my sponsor, and I have a tea light candle holder to light in front of it, even if it isn’t done…And I go the offical Lourdes website and I send them an email telling them what has happened and I am able to put in a ‘petiton to our Lady of Lourdes’ - only in my case I just tell her thank you for bringing me to the church and I tell her how scary is is sometimes because I am so shy, and I thank her for helping me with the grotto, and that kind of stuff.

So, finally I get to the part where I have installed my little blue ‘spring’ in the center of the rocks on the floor of the grotto, and I decide 'hey- now that would be a good place to keep my rosary that I am going to be using, because I constantly forget them in my purse or in my pants pocket… and I have the candle lit and I’ve said the Angelus and things, and I go to put the plastic rosary from my pocket in the ‘pool’… and I would swear to God on high, I heard a young woman’s very gentle, amused chuckle (in my head) and she says ‘No child, give me your real one’

And I literally jumped back - and instantly, in a flash, I knew she meant the one that had been blessed, not the plastic one… and I literally hurried and found the blessed one, and holding it out at arms length I ‘dangled it down’ into the ‘pool’ - and then I backed up - WAYYYYY up, just watching her, to see if she was going to do anything else so unexpected!

But, she seemed happy with that, so that is where it stays, although I do borrow it from her at times, and no, nothing else strange has gone on in the little grotto. I finally finished it, and took it to church, and it was blessed by the priest on the Feast Day of Our Lady of Lourdes in February… and yes, I have a kneeling Bernadette figure as well now, and the little pictures I took of it I use on my phone as the ‘wallpaper’, so I can see the grotto where ever I am.

My whole time in RCIA has been a string of ‘odd events’ that didn’t happen every day, but were obvious enough so even someone as uneducated as I would notice them… and I thank God most sincerely and utterly for being so patient. My prayer to this day usually is 'please Father, let me do your will, but please, be bold in letting me know what you want or I’ll probably miss it!

My most sincere apologies to one and all here for going on so long - and for all your encouraging comments!
 
It’s from my fave character from a Legend of Zelda game. Now that Skyward Sword has come out, I think I like that one better, though.
👍

BTW: I was there when the Holy Father visited St. Louis in 1999, too. And the Pink Sisters prayed for beautiful warm weather, and it was a balmy 60 in January on that day!
 
I don’t know how to get the pictures from my phone here, but I could try, or take ones with a digital camera… only last time I tried, this place wouldn’t even let me use a ‘signature picture’ or a profile picture because I am so new… I will work on seeing if I can get it to let me put some on here, or off my phone (yes, I am an almost 56 year old not-exactly the most tech literate type here)… but I will try!
 
You and I both have “trial memberships”, which means we can’t post pictures directly. But we can certainly post links to them!
 
(continued from before?)

So, since I am unemployed, and at home all day, and live with my elderly mother, I need to do something to maintain some sense of purpose… and my bedroom here is stacked full with boxes all containing bits and pieces and odds and ends of the life I lived when I was raising my 3 kids as a single mom.

My whole time in RCIA has been a string of ‘odd events’ that didn’t happen every day, but were obvious enough so even someone as uneducated as I would notice them… and I thank God most sincerely and utterly for being so patient. My prayer to this day usually is 'please Father, let me do your will, but please, be bold in letting me know what you want or I’ll probably miss it!

My most sincere apologies to one and all here for going on so long - and for all your encouraging comments!
You absolutely gave me goosebumps…and tears in my eyes reading your story…I had shared your story with some friends…and they are awaiting this third part of your story…I am sure you would not mind…but I will be presumptious and I will share the link to your pics…👍

I will also ask them to pray for you to find a job too. God bless…

Now another request…and I am sure all will agree…how about telling us some of those weird events…do not keep us in suspense…😃
 
Nabooro…

Your story really affected me. I don’t think that nightmare was “just a dream”. My conversion experience into Christianity also involved a dream that was not a dream…and scared the dickens out of me. The message in mine was “Just because you don’t believe in hell doesn’t mean you’re not going there”. I can’t even describe it, and certainly not as eloquently as you did yours. Thank you so much for sharing. You are right that we have a responsibility as Christians as well.
 
Well - I got them off the phone!!! 😃 😃 😃

I put them on my google+ page and set it as public… But I have no idea if it will let you see it or not. Here’s the link - I DO hope it works!!

plus.google.com/105835074519297574602/posts?utm_source=embedded&utm_medium=googleabout&utm_campaign=link

(tried both methods to get it on here, maybe one will work
You don’t seem techno-challenged to me at all! And you even know your way around Google+ , which I have yet to do. Well done and I LOVE the pics!!! Beautiful!
 
Ooooh yes yes and YES I agree with you.

Another “moment” I had was talking to a Catholic friend of mine about some anti-Catholic bs I’d seen on TV. I said “Geez when people want to take a shot at Christians, they always aim at the Catholic Church. Even the media seems to single out the Catholic Church”. She looked at me and said:

“Why do you think that is? If the devil had a gun, where would he point it?”
Yes. This is what I’ve come to realise, too. It is also why he works so hard to bring our priests down.

I love this thread, by the way. I am always online at the wrong time to really converse with people, but just want to say thanks for starting it and thank you to all who share. 👍
 
Golden S,

what a wonderful story! And I love the pics. I also watched the Angelus video you have on that page. I’ve been thinking about the Angelus a lot lately and have become convinced that I really must get into the habit of praying it. That video is another little sign, a bumper sticker for me 😉 So I better do something about it.
 
I was drawn towards Catholicism without me even realizing it.

As a teenager, I was fascinated by the J.R.R. Tolkien’s work. I devoured all his books, his biographies, his articles and anything about him. I was immensely intrigued by how he got inspired to write LotR. Then I came across a book which compiled his 10 years correspondence while writing LotR in which one of the letters said, “…LotR is essentially a roman catholic work…” I was quite stunned because I used to be quite hateful towards the Church for putting Galileo, my childhood hero, under house arrest for refusing to recant his astronomical work.

So I started reading about the Church, about Augustine, Thomas Aquinas as such and pretty things developed from there.
 
I was drawn towards Catholicism without me even realizing it.

As a teenager, I was fascinated by the J.R.R. Tolkien’s work. I devoured all his books, his biographies, his articles and anything about him. I was immensely intrigued by how he got inspired to write LotR. Then I came across a book which compiled his 10 years correspondence while writing LotR in which one of the letters said, “…LotR is essentially a roman catholic work…” I was quite stunned because I used to be quite hateful towards the Church for putting Galileo, my childhood hero, under house arrest for refusing to recant his astronomical work.

So I started reading about the Church, about Augustine, Thomas Aquinas as such and pretty things developed from there.
Tolkien also drew me to the Church when I was in the Assemblies of God and thought Catholicism evil for “deceiving” people. The spirituality of LotR really got to me, as well. That and the ordered life he presented so starkly against what is truly evil. 👍

Have you read anything about what really happened with Galileo? Catholic Answers has some information about that you might find helpful/interesting. 🙂

@ GoldenSunflower: What a sweet little Grotto. I’m sure St. Bernadette and Our Lady are pleased by your efforts and your devotion. Our Lady of Lourdes was instrumental in bringing me into the Church. I have a statue of her in my living room with a white bead with golden tone crucifix sent from Lourdes for her rosary. I am so grateful to Our Lady for gently reconciling me into her Son’s Church. It’s as if she spoke the words of Proverbs to me:

Prov.9
[1] Wisdom has built her house,
she has set up her seven pillars.
[2] She has slaughtered her beasts, she has mixed her wine,
she has also set her table.
[3] She has sent out her maids to call
from the highest places in the town,
[4] “Whoever is simple, let him turn in here!”
To him who is without sense she says,
[5] “Come, eat of my bread
and drink of the wine I have mixed.
[6] Leave simpleness, and live,
and walk in the way of insight.”
 
Nabooro…

Your story really affected me. I don’t think that nightmare was “just a dream”. My conversion experience into Christianity also involved a dream that was not a dream…and scared the dickens out of me. The message in mine was “Just because you don’t believe in hell doesn’t mean you’re not going there”. I can’t even describe it, and certainly not as eloquently as you did yours. Thank you so much for sharing. You are right that we have a responsibility as Christians as well.
I think that perhaps it may be easier for people who have never had that “hellish” experience to diminish the need for salvation through Christ. I can’t speak for the fate of others with certainty, but I can say that being in that place is very dangerous. Maybe that explains why the convert is often more eager to proselytize than the cradle Christians - we’ve seen the consequences, albeit only a very small taste of it - which should only emphasize how bad it really is. I wouldn’t want to risk someone else making the same mistakes I did.
 
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