That does not prevent them from being persecuted by Muslims! We had an Iranian who converted after the 9/11 massacre whose real name couldn’t even be released in the papers because of the fear of retaliation from the members of the religion of "peace’!
Oh Amy, not you too! How can you buy that garbage? The punishment for treason is death. But then you are saying that you deserve death for leaving your own religion. Or is treason only applicable when the religion is Islam?
Are you sure? There is no Caliphate today and yet Islamic States like Saudi Arabia still hang people for leaving Islam.
Another bag of worms maybe… but not I think a vastly different animal. There are way to many Muslims out there who don’t seem to see a distinction between Islam as a religion and Islam as politics. For example, why do Muslims in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Egypt and Syria all care so passionately about the fate of the Palestinians? They appear to care relatively little about the oppression that other groups have experienced around the world during the same time period.
I can tell you that in the case of Iran all of this concern over the Palestinians is internal politics. Ahmadinejad is really pushing this issue to deflect attention away from his problems at home – namely that he cannot deliver on the economic reforms he promised on getting elected. To a person who has to work 3 jobs just to make ends meet in Tehran, the attention given to the Palestinian issue is annoying. Additionally, it is a land issue and on top of that Persians aren’t even Arabs.
Im thinking that they have a lot more credibility than you. Afterall they hold mecca. Theologically speaking, its Allah’s will. That makes Saudi Arabia the heart of Islam.
I didn’t say I can’t. It’s you who are trying to justify it. I’m saying that I WON’T.
Im not justifying the Saudis. Im just saying that they have a much higher religious authority of implementing the proper Islam, the proper sharia. You wont justify them because muslim or not deep in your heart you know they are wrong. What you should ask yourself is, where are you getting your authority from? What right do you have in saying that their intepretation of Islam is wrong and you are right?
What you have is only a belief, not facts. By now you know several instances where sharia is anything but a just system. Like what we have discussed in the other thread…letting a murderer go for money.
Duh… didn’t I say that already? What they are doing is wrong?
My two major teachers of Shari’a are my imam who has a degree in Shari’a and Islamic sciences from Syria, and a friend of mine who is in his last semester of a bachelor’s degree program in Shari’a–in Riyadh (that’s in Saudi Arabia.)
I gave you a fatwa about murder. Murder is injustice, and the murderer has rights on him to Allah, to the person he murdered, and to that person’s family. I don’t believe that your personal opinion of justice is greater than Shari’ah–I do believe that Shari’ah is just because this in particular is from God.
I wish more Muslims here and in Europe felt the way you do, go to a Muslim country and leave the rest of us alone! Good luck!
Why? You are proud of a country so vulgar, so laden with crime and decadence, that religious people flee to the desert?
Relax, sister. Relax.
Thats two imams versus entire nations of muslims. How can you say these two have higher authorities over those whom Allah (religiously speaking) willed as the guardians of Mecca?
now you have little choice but to use ‘God’ in making excuses for your broken islamic policies.
You can ask your friend about this, or better yet have him join here and defend islam.
I am not proud of much of the filth that is spewed forth from Hollywood, nor of much of the Code-Pink, ANSWER, leftist, defeatist, anti-American tripe that is spouted by much of the ivory tower elitists.
Why?Relax, sister. Relax.
This is kind of silly, really. It’s not two “imams” versus nations. It is SCHOLARS agains RULERS. The scholars have the knowledge, while the rulers act with their corruption and prevent the scholars from teaching the laypeople any better.
Not making excuses.
I did think about it. I DO think that a man might commit murder without being a serial killer, without being a further danger to society, and I do believe what Jesus said–that forgiveness is important. And I do believe that JUSTICE is set by God–and if that means allowing the victim’s family to set the punishment or pardon it, then such is justice. Yes.C’mon my dear, we both agree that Murder is injustice. But letting go a murderer in exchange for cash, is there any justice in that? Please dont get emotional, just think about it.
He’s busy writing a research paper on how husbands are supposed to live in good relations with their wives according to Shari’ah.
By the fact that apostasy has to be judged by a Muslim judge in a Muslim state and satisfy certain conditions before the death penalty is applied.
Shari’ah might be a just system, but I have seen little evidence of it. Perhaps it is the manner it which it is implemented, but when it seems to be implemented in oppressive fashions time and again, one does have to wonder. I still remember a case where a mother was to be stoned because she was an adulteress but the the father of her child was exonerated because he had friends willing to say he was innocent.
May you get your wish…but not here. We want no part of Sharia. I would suggest that you go to a country that supposedly practices Sharia and try to reform it from within…but then I would not want you to be imprisoned/raped/tortured/stoned/beheaded for daring to stand up for your rights as a woman.