Converts (Not Canonical Switching) to Eastern Catholicism

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If anyone on these forums converted to Eastern Catholicism, would you mind relating your conversion story? Or perhaps what drew you into Eastern Catholicism? My parish is working on a new outreach program so any help you can give is greatly appreciated!!!
 
Outreach to whom? How? Where?

I came for a visit, fell in love with the Liturgy, and decided to stay.
 
We are starting with the neighborhood. Just simple door-to-door fliers and evangelization. We are also starting the Facebook page. We would like to know what works and what doesn’t for drawing people in.

For you Constantine, why did you keep coming back? We get the occassional visitors, and we are always friendly and speak to them after Divine Liturgy, but our retention rate is near if no 0%. What worked in your case? And what does your parish do that helps?

Thanks!!
 
We are starting with the neighborhood. Just simple door-to-door fliers and evangelization. We are also starting the Facebook page. We would like to know what works and what doesn’t for drawing people in.

For you Constantine, why did you keep coming back? We get the occassional visitors, and we are always friendly and speak to them after Divine Liturgy, but our retention rate is near if no 0%. What worked in your case? And what does your parish do that helps?

Thanks!!
Would it be too poetic to say it was God’s calling?

I was searching at that time. My favorite parish pastor was reassigned and I wasn’t feeling spiritually fed by the new one. I was also curious about the Eastern Rites so I decided to pay those parishes a visit to experience worship in the Eastern Rite. It just coincided. I tried Traditional Catholicism but it just doesn’t fit me at all. When I came to the Ukrainian parish, I just had an indescribable feeling that made me want to stay. It was just pure joy.

What helps? Friendly people always helps. Also a good cantor. Nothing like a first impression when a cantor sings the hymns in a heavenly tune.
 
Constantine, unbeknownst to you you just touched upon my biggest worry. I am currently being trained to be the Cantor, since our Cantor was just ordained Deacon, praise God, and he really wants to start his service at the Holy Table in earnest. I am super nervous about doing well, both for God but also for the quality of the worship experience. Any suggestions?
 
Constantine, unbeknownst to you you just touched upon my biggest worry. I am currently being trained to be the Cantor, since our Cantor was just ordained Deacon, praise God, and he really wants to start his service at the Holy Table in earnest. I am super nervous about doing well, both for God but also for the quality of the worship experience. Any suggestions?
Our subdeacon cantor moved away this past summer. I’ve already had two Divine Liturgies where I lead the singing. I think I’m confident enough to say that I won’t be winning any new converts anytime soon :D:D:D:D

We can’t control everything. Do our best with what we can, then pray and trust in God with the rest.
 
I just took a look at your parish Facebook page (via the link provided), noticing that it is based in the Denver area.

I couldn’t help but think of +John Denver, and the song lyric from one of his most famous works, Annie’s Song, which opens with “You fill up my senses …”. (yep, my mind works in strange ways sometimes)

It is often noted that the Divine Liturgy as offered in Eastern Christian traditions is a “banquet of the senses”. What we hear, see and smell during the Divine Liturgy profoundly affects us and helps us sense the presence of God - Heaven on Earth. This is usually the first thing that a visitor will note after their first experience in an Eastern Catholic or Orthodox church.

I’m not a marketing person, but if you are trying to raise awareness in your area and attract people to experience your tradition, that analogy might be useful.

On another note, our parish (Byzantine Ruthenian Rite) enjoys a terrific relationship with a very large Roman Catholic community nearby, as we worship in what used to be their church building, and had for many years held a very well publicly attended Slavic festival in the summer. Nowadays, we often have and promote special Divine Liturgies and Masses where the faithful of each congregation are encouraged to experience the traditions of the full Catholic Church - East and West, by attending those services. When both priests concelebrate, attendance is always high.

We recently had a Latin Rite bishop from our area celebrate the Divine Liturgy in our church on Sunday, just before leaving to assume a new episcopate. He was trained as a bi-ritual celebrant many years ago, and given that he was moving to an area with very few Eastern Rite Catholics, he desired one last time to serve a Divine Liturgy before moving to his new post. He is also a most beloved figure, admired by the local faithful from both Rites. As a consequence, this event drew many Roman Rite visitors. I had never seen our Church so packed on a Sunday!

That said, the relationship between your Ukrainian Catholic priest and the local Latin Rite clergy will likely impact the success of any effort to promote awareness, as those relationships tend to indicate the degree to which each congregation will be encouraged to do so from within their own communities. Leadership matters!
 
While my priest is not very involved in the Latin Clergy too much, the local Russian Greek pastor taught at the Roman Seminary in town and now teaches at the local Jesuit university. His Parish has both Roman and Byzantine congregations. Can the good will the Russian Pastor has built up work in our favor, or should we encourage our Pastor to develop those ties himself as well?
 
Long story short–My wife is ByzCath raised in the Roman church. I was(am) a Jew. Went here emmitsburg.net/grotto/ one day, stood in front of a statue of the Theotokos, and that was that! Converted to Catholicism in the Ruthenian Rite. Spent some time in the “desert” (:D;)) of Orthodoxy, and then came back “home” to the Catholic Church. We now worship in a Roman Catholic parish. I feel equally at home there as in a ByzCath parish, and love them both immensely. Go figure! 👍
 
We get the occassional visitors, and we are always friendly and speak to them after Divine Liturgy, but our retention rate is near if no 0%.
I just saw some of your additional posts and nice exchange with ConstantineTG, noting the retention rate comment quoted above, in particular.

Our Ruthenian Rite parish is almost 50% “non-cradle Byzantine” - most coming over from the Latin Rite either by marriage or choice, and a good number from other non-Catholic churches. The reasons most frequently cited:
  1. the priest
  2. the congregation
  3. the conduct of the worship service
Behind each of those points, if the person felt welcomed and comfortable in the community, they would stay.

The manner in which they are welcomed (or not) by the priest is often cited as being of primary importance. As our communities tend to be smaller than many others, this becomes an advantage with a visitor seeking a more intimate religious experience.

Seeing a vibrant community, especially for those coming with family and younger children, is the next most important factor. Social functions, quality of catechesis, and the degree and extent of local community outreach all matter in this regard.

On the final point, I do fervently agree with ConstantineTG that the cantor / quality of the liturgical music rendering is another very important determining factor. This is the “soul” of our Liturgical expression. The level of congregational singing is often impacted first by this, and that affects both visitor and standing member of the congregation alike. Did you every attend a DL were no one but the cantor chanted? Given that many vistors come from traditions where services, including extensive sections of the Latin Mass, are typically recited, this is a new experience for the uninitiated. We all need to participate in our worship services in order to feel connected. We participate in large part by singing in the Eastern Churches.

Relatedly, the degree to which the Church feels “ethnic”, by virtue of the manner in which the congregation relate and communicate with each other, including the degree of use of Old Church Slavonic in the DL, can also cause some sense of discomfort and prevent a newcomer from experiencing a true sense of belonging. Explanations of the tradition, which often come first from a knowledgeable, personable cantor, can go a long way toward mitigating that potential roadblock.

As a related aside, the “cradle Byzantines” in our parish include many Ukrainians (most of my burgeoning choir, in fact), and they often share that they miss some of the more traditional Ukrainian chants and hymns that may be more rarely used in our Church with Rusyn roots. We’ve converted this into an opportunity, with adult education on the history of our people given by our very knowledgeable “non-cradle Byzantine” priest, and we will be singing several familiar, traditional carols this Nativity season to the beautiful melodies from both the Ukrainian and Rusyn traditions.

Wishing you great success in promoting the virtues of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church in your area!

P.S. I have seen and heard your new young, dynamic Patriarch, and could not help but be drawn in by him. The YouTube videos available of the HDL celebrated during his visit to the Philadelphia Archeparchy were magnificent. Perhaps you could leverage this, as well!
 
Long story short–My wife is ByzCath raised in the Roman church. I was(am) a Jew. Went here emmitsburg.net/grotto/ one day, stood in front of a statue of the Theotokos, and that was that! Converted to Catholicism in the Ruthenian Rite. Spent some time in the “desert” (:D;)) of Orthodoxy, and then came back “home” to the Catholic Church. We now worship in a Roman Catholic parish. I feel equally at home there as in a ByzCath parish, and love them both immensely. Go figure! 👍
Great story! Some of our best parishioners have Jewish roots and surnames, as well! The frequent use of Original Testament scripture, as well as strict observance of ancient custom in the conduct of the Liturgy (all “borrowed” of course respectfully from Hebrew tradition), are often cited as reasons for the initial attraction.

Your testament of the intercession of the Theotokos in your conversion, however, was both unexpected and deeply moving!

To borrow from Yiddish (and comedian Mike Myers), I’m now verklempt!

Peace be with you and yours this joyous season!
 
While my priest is not very involved in the Latin Clergy too much, the local Russian Greek pastor taught at the Roman Seminary in town and now teaches at the local Jesuit university. His Parish has both Roman and Byzantine congregations. Can the good will the Russian Pastor has built up work in our favor, or should we encourage our Pastor to develop those ties himself as well?
I have just offered some addition thoughts in a follow-up post, which I hope you find helpful, but I would emphasize that the posture of the clergy and your pastor does matter, as you have seen by this very example of the local Russian Greek pastor. I would certainly urge you to encourage and assist him to develop those ties, as you have put it.

There were some posts in another unrelated thread recently, sharing how a Roman Catholic had attended some Orthodox Divine Liturgies at a local parish. He was surprised to see his own parish priest attending a special ceremony and DL for the dedication of a new facility. When they connected at this event, the priest shared that he was good friends with the Orthodox pastor of this church, much to the surprise of his parishioner. I’m sure this left a very good, positive impression on him, despite his initial surprise.
 
Great story! Some of our best parishioners have Jewish roots and surnames, as well! The frequent use of Original Testament scripture, as well as strict observance of ancient custom in the conduct of the Liturgy (all “borrowed” of course respectfully from Hebrew tradition), are often cited as reasons for the initial attraction.

Your testament of the intercession of the Theotokos in your conversion, however, was both unexpected and deeply moving!

To borrow from Yiddish (and comedian Mike Myers), I’m now verklempt!

Peace be with you and yours this joyous season!
The intercession of the Theotokos was direct and overpowering, bringing me to tears. And totally unexpected! I subsequently joined the Militia of the Immaculata (see this: consecration.com/default.aspx?id=8) and consecrated myself to Jesus Christ through His most holy mother. During my time in the Orthodox desert, this kind of went by the wayside. I have recently re-consecrated myself—again, through her intercession.

Thank you for your good wishes!

May you and your have a most blessed and joyous season as well!

In Christ,
Jeff
 
ByzCath,

Thanks for all the good advice, and MrPip thank you for your touching story!! ByzCath, could you prodive a link for the Patriarch at the HDL, I could not find it on youtube. Thanks!
 
ByzCath,

ByzCath, could you prodive a link for the Patriarch at the HDL, I could not find it on youtube. Thanks!
Gladly! Due to the length of the service, it had to be posted to YouTube in several installments, which aren’t well linked.

The first of the videos shows the procession of hierarchs and clergy at the beginning of the HDL. The choirs rendering of “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord …” is majestic! You can find it at youtube.com/watch?v=GyuRST2G78Y&feature=related

You’ve now given me a great excuse to view these again, and I’ll post again later today with a complete chronological list of the videos comprising the entire HDL.
 
ByzCath, could you prodive a link for the Patriarch at the HDL, I could not find it on youtube. Thanks!
There are three videos from the HDL, and they unfortunately do not constitute the entire HDL as I had prehaps recalled incorrectly. That said, they are all worth watching.

These and other videos featuring His Beatitude Sviatoslav are featured in a YouTube channel, thewayukrainian, found here youtube.com/user/thewayukrainian?feature=watch. There are many others, as well, of general interest.

BTW - every time I find a video of the Accolada Chamber Choir (see video labeled “Video 3 - Alleluia …”) I’m blown away! They are awesome!
 
Gladly! Due to the length of the service, it had to be posted to YouTube in several installments, which aren’t well linked.

The first of the videos shows the procession of hierarchs and clergy at the beginning of the HDL. The choirs rendering of “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord …” is majestic! You can find it at youtube.com/watch?v=GyuRST2G78Y&feature=related

You’ve now given me a great excuse to view these again, and I’ll post again later today with a complete chronological list of the videos comprising the entire HDL.
As a college student, procrastination is my speciality. 👍
 
I hope this video is not changing the subject. It is a wonderful history of the RCC through example of their holy vestments. It’s a great little show from Italy.

VIDEO link

Happy Jesus Birthday :clapping: and Merry Christmas!
 
I hope this video is not changing the subject. It is a wonderful history of the RCC through example of their holy vestments. It’s a great little show from Italy.

VIDEO link

Happy Jesus Birthday :clapping: and Merry Christmas!
Very off topic, amusing nonetheless.
🙂

I hope you realize this is from a famous satiric film by the noted Italian director and scriptwriter, Federico Fellini. He had one weird imagination!
 
Very off topic, amusing nonetheless.
🙂

I hope you realize this is from a famous satiric film by the noted Italian director and scriptwriter, Federico Fellini. He had one weird imagination!
I knew the author’s name, but his repetition is unknown. The film is very different, somewhat Gothic. Thanks for viewing it all the same. 🙂
 
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