Converts should just "sit down and shut up"?

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Tomorrow, I will mark 43 years from the day of my baptism and reception into the Catholic Church. There is no greater gift. May I adhere to it until my dying day.

When I was first received into the Church, though, I was referred to as a “convert”, which I accepted at the time, and used the term for myself, though later on I had to reconsider this, as I didn’t “convert” from anything. Aside from a few (mostly cultural) rudimentary remnants, I knew little of anything about Christianity until I came to Catholicism. I had basically not believed in much of anything.

I have spoken in other topic threads here about things I encountered once I entered the Church. My catechesis and in-school instruction were deficient (Humanae vitae and other things) and I discovered through reading — and I read constantly — pre-Vatican II catechisms, missals, historical accounts and so on, a world that was much different from what I saw in the local church. Things that were once taught vigorously were now treated as though they didn’t exist. As noted elsewhere, it was like someone had thrown a switch.

I found, though, that when I would ask questions, or challenge what I saw and heard, that it was generally a case of “you’re a convert, just be quiet and listen to us”. I was told, among other things, “you talk too much”, “just read the scriptures”, “you’re confusing yourself with all those books”, and finally, from the man I mentioned in another post, “you can never go wrong with a priest”. The Latin Mass was a taboo subject (I got a “Latin High Mass for Nostalgic Catholics” vinyl LP) and any resistance to communion in the hand or lay extraordinary ministers was — get this — “dissent”. The undercurrent was something like “you are bringing up things we’d rather not think about, we don’t want to hear it, so shut up”. My “you can never go wrong with a priest” friend referred several times to being a “cradle Catholic”.

Have any other “converts” experienced anything like this?
 
It would help us if you say at what age you get baptised.

have you gone to a Catholic school?

Did you heard after 43 years that you are a convert?

I think that before 7 years old, a child is not considered as a convert, and after yes, because it requiered it full agreement.

You read a lotof old book. As you understand, some cultural aspects of catholicism have changed a lot since one generation. But the culture we lived in have changed a lot too!
No more public processions, rogations, less local pilgrimnahe, popular devotion… less paryers before the meals within catholic, rosary prayers in family, prayer before bedtime…
A lot the way to express faith have disappear with the end of a more Catholic society…
 
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Sadly, those people that didn’t want you to bring up those subjects need our prayers.

Whether we are “converts” or not, many of us need to hear what the Church truly teaches about faith and morals, and obey those teachings.
 
have you gone to a Catholic school?

Did you heard after 43 years that you are a convert?
I did go to a Catholic school, and in my present life, no one thinks of me as a convert, since they didn’t know me then, and I don’t identify myself that way. If the question comes up, I describe my circumstances of coming to the Church.
 
thanks you.
So really a convert.
That depends upon how you use the term. I have reasoned “well, I was very young, and I never practiced any other faith before then, so I’m not exactly a convert”. A priest once told me that given my circumstances, I didn’t need to refer to myself as a convert.
 
I am also an historian, so i can understand your passion to read old books on faith.

It can nourrish our faith, mine include.
It may make us sad or anger if we mourned a faith that is no longer expressed or lived the same.

I have a discussion with my aunt born in 1943. At this time, the cathechism was almost a mandate, and they have an exam, that they need to pass successfully if they want to do the first communion.
Butshe understand that the knowledge was very basic, and she is still learning.
So yes, before, the knowledge of Catholics was better than now, but not that perfect. And we have now more way to inform ourselves (internet etc).
 
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thanks you.
So really a convert.
That depends upon how you use the term. I have reasoned “well, I was very young, and I never practiced any other faith before then, so I’m not exactly a convert”. A priest once told me that given my circumstances, I didn’t need to refer to myself as a convert.
I wouldn’t think of you as a convert either. You would have had to have been something to convert from. You said that you weren’t anything before.
 
As a convert of a little over 10 years, I have found that I know more about the Catholic
faith than many cradle Catholics when we are
having discussions. Mind you, I am referring
to the faith, not the Bible. I don’t want to sound arrogant, but I studoed for many years
about the Catholic faith before deciding to
convert.
What I find most of the time when I am with
my Catholic friends and I bring up a fact or truth about the Catholic faith they don’t believe me or say I never heard that before
like I am making it up. So it is more that I am
a convert, and I don’t know what I am talking
about.
 
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I was my understanding that if you had no religion prior your baptism as an adult or a late child, you were a convert…You have choose versus craddle.

But maybe not that important, just vocabulary!
 
That depends upon how you use the term. I have reasoned “well, I was very young, and I never practiced any other faith before then, so I’m not exactly a convert”. A priest once told me that given my circumstances, I didn’t need to refer to myself as a convert.
The fact that I am now a Catholic is the only thing that matters, but sometimes I refer to my baptism as “an infant baptism delayed eight years” 😇
 
I’m proud to say I am a convert - I was Baptist until I was almost 60 years old. I have been treated so graciously within my parish - RCIA, Bible Studies, and other groups. I have a Catholic Library the size of “Kansas” now. My thirst is constant. I’m always asking questions or making connections. It is very possible that some cradle Catholics could be threatened or challenged by your questions - some may have beliefs that are not true Catholic teachings. Perhaps they were told something by a grandma who believed it because she was taught such. They can be feeling uncomfortable because they realize they are lacking knowledge and enthusiasm.
 
I love converts and most people I know love converts. I will say this, I have seen some converts go through phases in their zeal that many of us have been through at various times in our lives, but they take it on as if they discovered something cradle Catholics don’t realize and we need to be saved by them from our own dumbness and impiety. While that condescending behavior isn’t normative to converts, I think the ones with those attitudes are why that unfortunate vibe you are picking up on exists.

You are a full member of the church and shouldn’t be thought of as less than or less entitled to opinions than any lifetimer. Some “converts” have been Catholic longer than others of us have even been alive.

I don’t want converts to sit down and shut up. I want them to stand up and speak up if they feel so called because I love a good conversion story.
 
As a convert, I haven’t had this experience, and my parish priest, of course, knows we are absolutely free to receive on the tongue or in the hand.

Who are these people who are critical of you? Are they among those who are very well known families in the parish? The “perfect” families? Extremely involved people? Deacons? A DRE? People in bible studies? It is my experience that most people in any given parish don’t think so deeply or read a large amount of catholic books.

Their responses seem kind of extreme. I assume they are few and far between over the last 43 years?

As a former protestant, or whatever I was, the only thing that I’ve asked is, why don’t we have more bible studies? Eventually, I understood its because it is not our sole rule of faith.

Also, congratulations on your 43rd anniversary of being a Christian.🍰
 
they take it on as if they discovered something cradle Catholics don’t realize and we need to be saved by them from our own dumbness and impiety. While that condescending behavior isn’t normative to converts, I think the ones with those attitudes are why that unfortunate vibe you are picking up on exists.
No, I think it’s because I rattled their cage and made them have doubts about what they believed. People get very testy when their complacency is shattered by inconvenient truths, when those truths have little barbs that snag at them. They know deep down that you have a point, but it’s not what they want to hear.
Who are these people who are critical of you? Are they among those who are very well known families in the parish? The “perfect” families? Extremely involved people? Deacons? A DRE? People in bible studies? It is my experience that most people in any given parish don’t think so deeply or read a large amount of catholic books.

Their responses seem kind of extreme. I assume they are few and far between over the last 43 years?
Generally it occurred in the first ten years or so after my baptism. One benefit of middle age is that people more or less think that you know what you are talking about, and they give you less grief in general. (It’s about time! :roll_eyes:) Yet my ideas now are the same as they were then…

It was pretty much a cross-section of people who had been raised in that parish, and whose families had been there forever. (That says a lot.) There were also people who had been transferred there due to their work, and their families, from parishes just like that. They tended to be better educated and more liberal.
 
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To paraphrase Scott Hahn: Sometimes it takes an immigrant to explain patriotism to the natives.

Keep it up!
 
“you’re a convert, just be quiet and listen to us”.
Oftentimes converts know a whole lot more about Catholicism than those who were baptized Catholics as infants and take their faith for granted. After all, many converts have had to read, study and think things out before taking the step toward conversion.
 
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In my experience, converts tend to be more knowledgeable about the faith than the typical cradle Catholic, because they often have studied the faith well and as an adult before their conversion.
 
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