Convince me I'm wrong please

  • Thread starter Thread starter STVM
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
I am going to try to answer the question on women’s ordination, but first I am going to give this link: peterkreeft.com/audio/09_priestesses.htm

After you have read my answer listen to the audio recording there, because it will introduce some points that go far beyond what I have said and will address what I have said in a way that is probably easier to understand.

When it comes to this issue, the first thing that has to be looked at is the idea of masculinity and feminity. Now in our modern minds, we tend to think of masculinity as being a word used to describe things that are like men, or that share qualities of men, and femininity is a word used to describe things that are like women or that share qualities of women. The problem is that that is the complete opposite of how things really work. Masculinity is simply quality of being, one that is abstract and not based on tangible things. In other words, things aren’t called masculine because masculinity is like men: men are called masculine because they are like masculinity.

In its most fundamental aspect, the quality of masculinity is the quality of transcendance, while in its most fundamental aspect, femininity is the quality of immanence. To be transcendant from a thing is to be beyond and seperate from a thing. To be immanent is to be within and in some way united with a thing. That is why the gender of a species which creates the offspring and then steps back is called the male. The father of a child plays his part in the conception, then he steps back and is seperate and beyond the child. Throughout human history the father has also played in many ways a more transcendent role after birth in that he has been the one beyond the child, the one in a different world, out working and setting rules and so forth. The gender of the species which are immanent with the child are called female. They are feminine. The child is with them for nine months, living inside the mother. The child then feeds directly from the mothers breasts, and throughout human history the mother has been the primary caregiver, the one involved in raising the child. We see this in our language, too. We call ships “she” and “her” instead of “him” and “he” because we are immanent with them - we ride inside them.

Now God is called “He,” He is the “Father,” because He is masculine. He is transcendant - beyond the world, seperate from it. This hits at the very reason we have male priests. We have male priests because the priests are standing in the place of God. The action of sacrificing Christ belongs only and exclusively to Christ Himself - to God. Priests are merely standing in for Him as that sacrifice is offered. Priests have to be male because they have to be masculine because they are standing in for God who is masculine. The act of sacrifice to God is a transcendant act because God Himself is transcendant. By its nature, any act that attempts to offer something to a transcendant God must be itself transcendant, because that act must “leave” the world, it must transcend the world, and go to God who is outside of the world. A transcendant act is by its nature masculine, because transcendance is the funamental quality of masculinity. By definition, feminity is immanent, not transcendant.

This is why, for instance, when you had the ancient pagan religions that worshipped idols, they had priestesses. An idol was a statue that was not believed to represent a god, but to literally be a god. An idol was a god that was literally in the world. Any act of sacrifice to an idol would be immanent, because it would stay in the world. The god was right there - there was nothing to transcend. God, however, is outside of the world, so to reach to Him is to transcend the world. That is why, as Dr. Kreeft says, having priestesses is not a matter of deciding how we should worship in our religion - it is literally and actually a completely different religion. The differences between priests and priestesses is the difference between a God who is not in the world, who is beyond it, above it - who created it, and having a God who is in the world - who is part of the world, and by nature of being in the world cannot have created it, or else He would have created Himself, which obviously makes no sense.

If we believe that God created the world, then by definition, by nature, inevitably, we must have masculine priests. We must have priests that sacrifice transcendently, that the sacrifice may transcend our world and reach to God who is outside of and beyond the world - who created it. If we have priestesses, then we have immanent sacrifices which by definition, by nature, inevitably remain in the world, and therefore what we sacrifice to must be in the world, and cannot have created it.

That’s why we don’t have female priests.
 
More good points, thanks. I’m still a little skepticle though.

It’s been 2000 years since Jesus and a whole lot more since Noah’s ark. It’s been proven that Noah’s ark is only a symbolic story as well so I’m going to stick to the Jesus point. What Jesus did, while it may not have swayed everyone, was a whole lot more than what anyone is doing now. So why does God have to keep doing things (prophets, Jesus, Noah) through people? Why can’t he come in some amazing form and try and change us? That may be an ignorant question but I’m just kind of spilling everything out here.

Most importantly though, how do you guys get all of this faith? How do you stay strong when you have questions, which I’m sure are often better than mine? This is sounding kind of corny but prayer isn’t going to do it for me…whe else do you guys (and girls) do?
Who proved Noah’s ark was just a story? cite sources

The other part of your question involves faith and free will.

I found a solid footing on the accuracy of the Bible and Tradition are important.

Here is something to start with:
http://www.churchinhistory.org/pages/intro-sum/gospels-hist.htm
The Gospels are Historical

Toledoths of Genesis
 
…When God created people blind, deaf, etc. he gave them something that we as humans cannot fix…but we still do our best to give them the advantages of everyday life. This is not the case for Female priests and gays IMO. WE can decide if gays can marry and WE can decide if women can become priests. This issue is in our control. How come whites, blacks, the handicapped etc. are all aloud to marry? Sure women can go into the sisterhood but I’ve heard many tell me that they would only consider a vocation if they could be a priest…it’s a lot different.
When you say “is in our control” you are presuming that we define marriage and the priesthood. But we don’t. You may be getting confused because there is legal marriage and there is sacramental marriage. Legal marriage is whatever the law chooses to make it. But sacramental marriage is what God chose to make it, and He tied that in with our our very nature (which He also made, of course). If a country or state decides to redefine marriage, there is of course not logical stopping point. Homosexual marriage. Child marriage. Multiple partner marriage. Intertwined marriage (Joe is married to Mary and Cathy, and Cathy is also married to Sam, etc. At what point does marriage stop having any meaning other than “they want to be together”?

As for women priests, you need to ponder why God made humans as men and women, and why He chose to become incarnate as a man. Don’t make the mistake of thinking things like “well, mammals need sexual reproduction to have a healthy gene pool”. God made those rules – He could have made other rules if He wanted. Rather, He started with a fundamental distinction He wanted to incorporate into the world, and designed the physics and biology of creation around that distinction. Similarly, Jesus didn’t come into the world as a man because they would have rejected a woman. He always intended to come into the world as a man. If He had wanted to come as a woman, He would have made sure the Jewish people were receptive to a woman.

Anyway, think about what God is telling us by creating men and women, and by coming into the world as a man.
About the last question: If my g/f is standing right next to me then I am much less likely to do something I would regret if she found out obviously. But say I’m about to cheat on my g/f (which I would never do but for the sake of argument…) and right before I commit the act God steps in front of me in some kind of a shocking supernatural way and asks me if I really want to do it…what are the chances I would still commit the act? If I do then clearly I still took advantage of my free will and need a lot of help as a Christian, if I don’t then God saves the day once again. So why can’t he say something?
You know, that’s pretty much how all strong Christians live. God is right there with us, and we feel it. But if He kept popping up and saying “don’t do that!”, what would that say about our free will (which is very, very important, since He gave it to both humans and angels, and many of both used it to commit evil and to corrupt His perfect creation). As you ask, what are the chances that you would commit the act? You would, in a sense, become nothing more than a puppet of God. But that’s not what He wants. He doesn’t want you to “be good” because He keeps popping out at you. He wants you to choose to love Him, in the deepest, most complete and self-giving way. Just the way He loves you (and all of us). No other way of relating to God is real.
 
More good points, thanks. I’m still a little skepticle though.

It’s been 2000 years since Jesus and a whole lot more since Noah’s ark. It’s been proven that Noah’s ark is only a symbolic story as well so I’m going to stick to the Jesus point. What Jesus did, while it may not have swayed everyone, was a whole lot more than what anyone is doing now. So why does God have to keep doing things (prophets, Jesus, Noah) through people? Why can’t he come in some amazing form and try and change us? That may be an ignorant question but I’m just kind of spilling everything out here.

Most importantly though, how do you guys get all of this faith? How do you stay strong when you have questions, which I’m sure are often better than mine? This is sounding kind of corny but prayer isn’t going to do it for me…whe else do you guys (and girls) do?
Two things to help your skepticism (maybe).

First with women in the priesthood (something that didn’t make much sense to me when I was an atheist looking at Catholicism). I believe that God made it so that, for a certain reason that is impossible to see, women cannot be priests. I believe this because He said so, through the Tradition of the Catholic Church. And so saying that we have the power to make women priests is like saying that we have the power to declare rocks to be massless. We can say that they are, but it doesn’t make it so.

As for the core issue, the skepticism… that’s a hard one. If you want to read how I was brought into the Church (sometimes kicking and screaming), you can find it here.

But through the last part of the process, I gained a greater peace about my doubts, and my fears, by praying “God, help me to understand all about you that I can, but help me to accept from you what I cannot understand.”

It’s hard. But it is absolutely worth it!
 
More good points, thanks. I’m still a little skepticle though.

It’s been 2000 years since Jesus and a whole lot more since Noah’s ark. It’s been proven that Noah’s ark is only a symbolic story as well so I’m going to stick to the Jesus point. What Jesus did, while it may not have swayed everyone, was a whole lot more than what anyone is doing now. So why does God have to keep doing things (prophets, Jesus, Noah) through people?
Welcome to the infinite love of God! He could do everything by Himself, and He’d do it a lot better than we do. But that is not how Love is. Love is about, among other things, giving and sharing. God insists on sharing every good thing with us. He asks us to share in the very creation of human persons, in His own image and likeness. He asks us to share in the salvation of the world, the forgiveness of sin, the spreading of His love and grace, the making-present of His ultimate and perfect sacrifice. And He even offers us His divine nature that we may partake in it. He holds nothing back, for holding back is not Love. Ponder how God shares all that is good with us. Spend a lifetime meditating on it.
Why can’t he come in some amazing form and try and change us? That may be an ignorant question but I’m just kind of spilling everything out here.
An amazing form like a helpless baby in a filthy stable? What could be more amazing for the God of all creation?! And think how His startling example has changed us, has changed the world. Think about how His perfect humility and self-sacrifice has changed us. Every soul in heaven is testament to how much the amazing form of that baby in the manger has changed us! 🙂
Most importantly though, how do you guys get all of this faith? How do you stay strong when you have questions, which I’m sure are often better than mine? This is sounding kind of corny but prayer isn’t going to do it for me…whe else do you guys (and girls) do?
I was just like you. I stopped going to Mass around 15. I lived a life without belief for 30 years. It’s an easy life to live, but a hollow one. Then God brought me back home. He used my own wife as His instrument (remember what I said about how He uses us to share in His work of salvation? I have lived it!). Something that I imagine everyone on this board will agree with, is that when you are not looking for God, you won’t see Him anywhere. But when you are looking for Him, you will see Him everywhere. You will ask yourself “How could I have been so blind before?!” When you have accepted that gift of God which is faith, the world is saturated with God. It is exploding with God. He shines out in the large and small acts of friends and strangers. In the plants and animals and stars and atoms. All of creation proclaims Him, when your eyes and ears have been opened. Look for Him and He will overwhelm you with His presence.
 
Most importantly though, how do you guys get all of this faith? How do you stay strong when you have questions, which I’m sure are often better than mine? This is sounding kind of corny but prayer isn’t going to do it for me…whe else do you guys (and girls) do?
Well one thing that I have to say really helped me was listening to some different Catholic radio shows and podcasts. I used to be more of a cafeteria Catholic and was especially rebellious against the Church’s teaching on some of the moral issues you mentioned in the first post. So, I would say along with praying, find ways to learn more about the faith. When I first started listening, I was kind of angry at the Church because I thought some of her statements/rules were pretty harsh and out of touch with reality. But I think once you really get to know where the Church is coming from, and really get to know God’s love, you’ll find that faith comes much easier. I still admit it doesn’t come easy to me always. If you do your best to hang on though, God won’t let you go. Keep praying!
 
It’s been 2000 years since Jesus and a whole lot more since Noah’s ark. It’s been proven that Noah’s ark is only a symbolic story
as well so I’m going to stick to the Jesus point.Hi Ryan!👋
Smart man! Always ask the questions that are bothering you of someone who knows what they are talking about. Never be afraid to seek out the truth! Look at what Our Lord says about that! Matthew 7:7: “Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.
8: For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.
9: Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone?
10: Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent?
11: If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!” WOOT!

Who in the world told you that Noah’s ark was a myth? There is actually evidence to the contrary, though there is still some controversy about it. Have a look at THESE LINKS. Personally, I think it’s there, but it’s not really critical to my faith.

Where did I get all this faith? 🙂 Read my story HERE.

Don’t feel like a loner…I didn’t pay much attention in religion class either. :whistle: I have picked up most all that I have learned about the faith from reading the Bible and lots of other books and writings. One AWESOME source was The Catholic Home Study Service courses. I have completed everything they offer and begged for more. They are THAT good!

Anyway, keep asking and seeking…we’ll help you find all the answers we can, and the Holy Spirit will do the rest.
Remember, Jesus Himself promised," Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." and “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied”, and that applies to you my friend.

Oh yeah…and Remember what St. Paul told St. Timothy. “Carefully study to present thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.” That also applies to you. 👍
Pax tecum,
 
STVM
Why can’t he come in some amazing form and try and change us? That may be an ignorant question but I’m just kind of spilling everything out here.
Well guess what STVM. Jesus said that He would be with us until the end of times. That means Jesus is with us in an amazing form and can change us. It’s the Eucharist. Imagine, Our Lord Jesus in the form of bread and wine!!! We can really believe it because God does not lie and He told us “This is my Body… This is my Blood”. And think about it, STVM, we can have Jesus every day of our lives and by receiving him in Holy Communion our lives we can really be transformed. Ask the people here who converted to the CC and how anxious they were to be able to receive Our Precious Lord in communion. Understand that faith is not something that we can get a ruler out and measure. Faith is believing in something unseen. Let’s say for example my wife is looking for our son and I see that he is in his room I can tell my wife that he is there. There is no faith in that. But if I know that he is there but I can’t see him and my wife asks where he is its in faith that I tell her that he is in his room. We receive Jesus in the Eucharist in faith because He told us that it is His Body and Blood. When I see the Host I do not have to see little hands and feet in order for me to believe it is Jesus. I see the forms of bread and wine but I trust Jesus at His word. I recommend going to communion as often as possible and as you are approaching communion, just keep telling Jesus “I believe My Jesus, I believe It is really You”.** What an amazing way for Jesus to present Himself to us.!!!** If you know the tune to these words, sing them silently as you approach the Host. “Oh, Jesus we adore thee, who in Thy love Divine. Conceal the mighty Godhead, in forms of Bread and Wine. Oh, Sacrament most Holy, Oh Sacrament Divine. All praise and all thanksgiving, be every moment thine.” I learned this song as a child and as a matter of fact, I think I was your age when it really struck me that I was actually receiving Jesus. Yes, in later years I did stray, but it was believing in the Eucharist that prevented me from leaving the CC.
 
I’ll start off by saying my name is Ryan, I’m 15 and I’ve been going to Catholic school my entire life. Suddenly I’ve hit this critical stage of my religion though and I just can’t get past some of my problems with it so I came here for some answers.
I shall start off by saying that I am not a Catholic, and that you should not take anything I say as being indicative of a Catholic position unless I reference it to a Catholic source.
-If God created everyone equal then why do we say gays shouldn’t marry…doesn’t that imply they’re not equal?
-Same question as above but this time for female priests.
The formation of doctrine in the Roman Catholic Church depends very heavily upon tradition: if something has always been done, it must continue; it something has never been done, it must not start. The reasoning behind this is that it is believed that God would not allow the Catholic Church to have been in error for all these centuries, and so the long-held doctrines must be correct.
-Howcome if I do something bad it’s my fault but if I do something good then “God helped me”?
This is more about the modesty of your representation of the event than it is about the actual nature of what happened. If God is omnipotent, as most of us believe, then God is necessarily involved in whatever occurs, whether by causing it to happen or by allowing it to happen. Thus, when you do something bad, God did let you do it. Some claim that this means that God does not care, but such a claim is inaccurate, because we cannot clearly establish that God did not allow us to do it in order for some greater good to occur.

When you do something good, it is modest to disclaim responsibility, just as it would be arrogant to claim that you did it because you are fantastic. This is a cultural value, and you can choose to either live with it or upset everyone around you.
-Why do we trust people with our faith when they can’t even seem to agree on something as simple as who was King when Jesus was born (Gospels)
The Gospels disagree on several details, as one would expect of four different eyewitness accounts. What historians look for in historical texts are not absolute agreements, because those are usually evidence of later alteration of the texts, but general agreements. The Gospels agree on the vast majority of what went on. Consider this, also: if any one of them had been meant to be perfect and complete, we would not have ended up with four.
-Why can’t God just show himself, wouldn’t that help us make good decisions if we actually saw him right before an immoral act?
The ‘why’ of the actions of an infinite consciousness is never going to be easy for us to understand, but consider this: if you avoid a bad action merely out of fear of punishment by the authority who is present, are you really being good, or just not being stupid? Goodness lies in doing what is right because it is right, and not in order to avoid a punishment or gain a reward. God allows us to learn to be good.
I’m right on the verge of leaving Catholicism even though I’ve lead a very moral (according to the church) life so far.
As an outsider, I personally believe that the Roman Catholic Church could benefit from having more dissenters within its ranks. 😃 There are quite a few (naughty) Catholics who believe that women should be ordained, and some who believe that homosexual people should be allowed to marry. You are not the only one to disagree.

The mere fact that you might disagree with your church’s position is not, I think, sufficient reason to leave it. That sort of thing is what afflicts those of us who are Protestant: every time someone disagrees with his/her pastor, s/he leaves and creates a new church. This removes all accountability of behaviour.

Only leave your church if you cannot, in all good conscience, stay within it.
 
Thanks again for all the good replies. I didn’t go through all the links because the teachers decided to load us up with hw today and I got injured at my soccer game yesterday so were dealing with that (still tied the #1 team in the state though.

On the “pray, confess, eucharist etc” points…that’s what I used to do. I’ve even gone to a couple of retreats but I just can’t get myself to believe. At communion last Sunday I had this sudden urge to spit out the wine all of a sudden because I didn’t feel like I was in a position to be taking it. Of course I didn’t because that’s about the worst thing I could do.

Last question: This is my core issue with the Church. It seems so saturated…infected I guess one might say with bad things/people to the point that it seems fake to me sometimes. It’s used as comfort for some to make themselves feel good and as a tool for others to show how much “better” they are. There is so much ignorance and hate in it that it makes me sick. So how do I get past those people? Even the priests who seem to jump down people’s throats for almost no reason at all. It hasn’t gotten on this thread at all but I have seen it in some threads about the Pope’s misinturpreted comment.

I’m going to talk to my priest soon and I’ll be printing this thread up before I go, it’s good to have some extra knowledge.
 
Thanks again for all the good replies. I didn’t go through all the links because the teachers decided to load us up with hw today and I got injured at my soccer game yesterday so were dealing with that (still tied the #1 team in the state though.

On the “pray, confess, eucharist etc” points…that’s what I used to do. I’ve even gone to a couple of retreats but I just can’t get myself to believe. At communion last Sunday I had this sudden urge to spit out the wine all of a sudden because I didn’t feel like I was in a position to be taking it. Of course I didn’t because that’s about the worst thing I could do.

Last question: This is my core issue with the Church. It seems so saturated…infected I guess one might say with bad things/people to the point that it seems fake to me sometimes. It’s used as comfort for some to make themselves feel good and as a tool for others to show how much “better” they are. There is so much ignorance and hate in it that it makes me sick. So how do I get past those people? Even the priests who seem to jump down people’s throats for almost no reason at all. It hasn’t gotten on this thread at all but I have seen it in some threads about the Pope’s misinturpreted comment.

I’m going to talk to my priest soon and I’ll be printing this thread up before I go, it’s good to have some extra knowledge.
The Church is a hospital for sinners. All men who belong are sinners and fail and many times fail miserably. The key point is Jesus’ proposition through the Church. Believers fail, but get up and try again not to sin. The Catholic proposition is indeed hard to live up to, but failure by men in no way diminishes the truth and message contained in the Catholic faith. IOW, don’t shoot the messenger, for she is pure.

I used to believe like you the “fake” and myself felt a hypocrite to belong. That I could never measure up to Christ’s expectations, so why try. Your conscience is at work here. Pray and continue to receive worthily. Search for the truth and accept no less. If you continue your search you will find peace.
 
Ryan, I know you have a lot of homework already pile on you at school, and the last thing you probably want to do is read, but there are a lot of great books regarding the Faith out there. One of the best encouragements for me is to read stories by people who converted to the Faith. If I’m having doubts about being Catholic these autobiographies remind me why I am Catholic and why I need to stay Catholic. And I’m a convert myself! One of my favorites is Surprised By Truth by Patrick Madrid, although there are tons of others that are great, too.
I also watch The Journey Home on EWTN. Sometimes when you are on the inside you tend to forget all the Truths that the Church has safeguarded. Listening to people who have come from the outside reminds us why the Church is so great, so perfect, so fitting with God’s plan.
Buffalo is so right that the Church is a hospital for sinners. Jesus Himself warned us that the weeds would grow right alongside the wheat. But He sent the Holy Spirit to the Church to guide it into all truth, and He said the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church. We are so blessed to have a God that keeps His promises!
 
Hi Ryan!
I’ll start off by saying my name is Ryan, I’m 15 and I’ve been going to Catholic school my entire life. Suddenly I’ve hit this critical stage of my religion though and I just can’t get past some of my problems with it so I came here for some answers. Here are my questions:

-If God created everyone equal then why do we say gays shouldn’t marry…doesn’t that imply they’re not equal?
God created everyone equal? Equal with respect to what? Where did you come up with this? We are all unique, and therefore, by definition, none are equal - think DNA. We are only equal with respect to the fact that we are made in the image and likeness of God and that God loves us all equally and desires that we spend eternity with Him. From this realization you can see that your concept of “equality” is flawed, and since your conclusion depends upon your incomplete understanding of our “equality” then your conclusion is also flawed. Sorry.
In addition, you don’t understand what marriage is. Marriage is a sacramental relationship between a man, a woman and God. God is required, one and only one man is required, and one and only one woman is required. It is impossible for one of these required elements to be missing and still have a “marriage”. That is why no 2 men can be married and no 2 women can be married. It’s impossible, just like no man can be a mother and no one woman can be a father. Oh sure, we can invent all sorts of politically correct relationships and try and define them as marriage, but that is a charade.
40.png
STVM:
-Same question as above but this time for female priests.
Im gonna let you in on a little secret that they may not have told you in school: men and women are not equal! :nope: The Priesthood, like fatherhood, is composed entirely of men. This is God’s will and that is why it is so. Why is it God’s will? I don’t know that I know the answer.

STVM said:
-Howcome if I do something bad it’s my fault but if I do something good then “God helped me”?

Because God, who created all that is seen and unseen, is the source of ALL that is GOOD; in Him there is NO SIN. You are created by HIM for doing good which he has prepared in advance, and He will empower you to do so, but you will struggle with your desires which are against His will. When you succomb to those desires by failing to avail yourself of His grace in resisting temptation, you have done evil - that’s bad. When you do avail yourself of his Grace and do “good” you have simply cooperated with the Grace which He has provided.
40.png
STVM:
-Why can’t God just show himself, wouldn’t that help us make good decisions if we actually saw him right before an immoral act?
I have a better question for you: “Why cant you simply do good always?” Is it a problem of understanding what you should do? I don’t think so. Can your body not cooperate with your mind to do that which your mind knows to be correct? I don’t think so. Why do you ever do something wrong? Where in nature have you ever observed such a thing? So why do we sin? Certain questions only have satisfactory answers that God knows. Why are we in this trial we call life, the way that it is? We don’t fully know the answer, but we know that God does and he has demonstrated the perfect human life to us himself and has told us, “Come, follow me.” Let’s follow.
40.png
STVM:
I have more but would like these questions answered first. PLEASE don’t take these questions the wrong way and get angry, I’m right on the verge of leaving Catholocism even though I’ve lead a very moral (according to the church) life so far. Thanks a lot :confused:
Just out of curiosity, what do your parents have to say about you leaving?
 
Ryan - You have already received many good replies to your questions, so I will respond only to the last, about how to ‘keep the faith.’ For me, and I would be so bold as to say for all, it is an ongoing battle.

I am a stargazer and lover of nature in general. When I look at creation (and especially at my own existence), including the marvels of the human body, I find it easier (and more logical) to believe in a creator than in the ‘random’ chance factor. More importantly, I have had several ‘encounters’ in my life that seem to confirm the reality of Jesus and of His love. I will not bore the board with them here, but if you are interested, I will be happy to share them with you privately. In times of doubt, nature and my ‘encounters’ always come to mind when I pray - that is why prayer is so important. It is our communication with the Lord, and allows Him to communicate with us. Keep your eyes and ears open; you will see Him and hear His voice.

Chuck
 
…I’m right on the verge of leaving Catholocism even though I’ve lead a very moral (according to the church) life so far. Thanks a lot :confused:
Leaving it for what? Have you found something better? Something that makes more sense? Something that gives your life and all of universe more meaning?
 
.

About the last question: If my g/f is standing right next to me then I am much less likely to do something I would regret if she found out obviously. But say I’m about to cheat on my g/f (which I would never do but for the sake of argument…) and right before I commit the act God steps in front of me in some kind of a shocking supernatural way and asks me if I really want to do it…what are the chances I would still commit the act? If I do then clearly I still took advantage of my free will and need a lot of help as a Christian, if I don’t then God saves the day once again. **So why can’t he say something? **
God absolutely steps in every single time and brings an awareness to you that you are doing something wrong. It is called your conscience, and it is empowered by God’s grace and proper formation. The more you learn to listen to your conscience the more you will hear God speaking DIRECTLY TO YOU! Don’t underestimate this - most people, adults included, actually forget how to listen to God through repeatedly ignoring him when they should not. Go read 1st Corinthians Chapter 10 verse 13: It is for you from your heavenly Father.
 
I’ll start off by saying my name is Ryan, I’m 15 and I’ve been going to Catholic school my entire life. Suddenly I’ve hit this critical stage of my religion though and I just can’t get past some of my problems with it so I came here for some answers. Here are my questions:

-If God created everyone equal then why do we say gays shouldn’t marry…doesn’t that imply they’re not equal?
-Same question as above but this time for female priests.
With regard to these questions, you are going by political correctness and “Americanism” instead of any sacred tradition of the Church.

About your age I thought much the same way…with regard to women priests, anyway. (The gay issue wasn’t an issue back then.) But back when I was agreeable to women priests, that was solely due to Americanism; nothing based on actual Church tradition. In fact, I didn’t even know the Church tradition and arguments…Americanism and Americanism equality were it.

That was then.
 
-If God created everyone equal then why do we say gays shouldn’t marry…doesn’t that imply they’re not equal?
-Same question as above but this time for female priests.
-Howcome if I do something bad it’s my fault but if I do something good then “God helped me”?
-Why do we trust people with our faith when they can’t even seem
  1. Telling people who are homosexual that they can’t marry isn’t attacking them. A marriage is supposed to bring children into the picture. Two men or two women can’t naturally produce children. Children are supposed to be a result of the love between a husband and wife (not that gay couples can’t feel love for one another). See CCC (the catechism) 2357-2391 if you want the details of all of this issue. This however doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t treat them with respect and love, we should. It does mean the gay people need to refrain from having sex since they can’t marry; this is the cross they have to bare. It is the same command that all unmarried people follow in the Catholic Church. So they aren’t the only ones struggling with this. I know from personal experience that it is extremely difficult to refrain from sex and be single, but if it was good enough for Jesus and Mary, and millions of other saints, then I can do it too. 🙂
  2. Everyone has gifts from the Holy Spirit, which I’m sure someone said earlier. One of those gifts for women is the ability to give birth. Men can’t do this. Men can call down the Holy Spirit and through transubstantiation, bread and wine are changed into the body and blood of Christ. On a smaller scale, my great-great grandmother was a professional singer and I can paint, but I can’t sing and as far as I know she never painted. Neither is unfair or wrong, just different.
    It would be wrong for someone to do something they are not called to do. Besides, I believe that if women were meant to be priests (which I know we’re not) Jesus would have laid hands on Mary Magdalene and Martha and Mary and made his mother the first pope instead of Peter. However, he didn’t so we must follow what Christ wants, not what we want. 👍
  3. We can do nothing without God. It is always our choice, however, to do His will or ours. When someone does something wrong it was their choice. The same can be said for doing something right. But if you ever notice that when you try to do things without God, it never works out. That’s why God is important with good choices.
  4. People aren’t perfect. History is honestly one person’s educated guess supported by fragmented evidence. Even if someone invented a time machine to see how historical events took place, and 5 people were sent to watch Jesus and hear what he said, there would be 5 different points of view as to what happened. Try this out with your friends/family. Watch a movie/TV show and ask everyone what they remember about the movie. I promise you’ll get similar but all different responses. Nobody will be completely wrong. It’s the same thing with Biblical history (that’s why there is more than one Gospel). Even if people can’t agree on the same detail of the story, it doesn’t make the story wrong.
These are all wonderful questions! I hope my response helped you. And keep questioning. I still question the Catholic Church and that has kept me with her.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top