Cooperation with Evil (abortion)

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Which of the above ways of cooperating with abortion are you willing to do to provide for your family?
 
Willing? None. The word willing implies far more than most faithful Catholics will want to go. Some of those things we are already forced to do whether we want to or not, but that does not make us willing.
 
irishpatrick said:
Willing? None. The word willing implies far more than most faithful Catholics will want to go. Some of those things we are already forced to do whether we want to or not, but that does not make us willing.
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I see what you’re saying. We never will for the abortion to occur. However, if we get up and go to work every day as a janitor at an abortion clinic, we at least must “will” to take that job. What we can’t will is the abortion themselves. Maybe we don’t even will for the place to be cleaned, but we still will to take the job. At least this is my understanding.

Anyway, what i mean is, which would you do?

This is in the wrong forum, and also was supposed to be multiple choice. Oops.
 
The choices aren’t very good.

I chose working for the Electric Company because the Electric Company is totally neutral - it provides electricity to everyone, good or evil, pro- or anti-abortion.
 
CathFaith1 said:
And voting with a conscience a Catholic would have to participate in none of the above.
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Ridiculous!! One couldn’t work for the water company or the gas company either with that kind of reasoning.

Same with not doing business with a company whose employees donate to PP. Individuals can donate to whomever they choose. Their employer can’t require them to not donate to this or that cause.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
The choices aren’t very good.

I chose working for the Electric Company because the Electric Company is totally neutral - it provides electricity to everyone, good or evil, pro- or anti-abortion.
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Yep. The first five are fairly straight forward. The rest are ridiculous. Patronizing a business whose employees donate to PP??
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
The choices aren’t very good.

I chose working for the Electric Company because the Electric Company is totally neutral - it provides electricity to everyone, good or evil, pro- or anti-abortion.
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Yeah I was gonna say that. It’s not the electrical company’s fault who uses their electricity for what. Being an electrician, I will probably be doing that eventually, but I don’t consider it to be aiding abortion in any way.
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
How would we even know?
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Hi,

I find some of them a bit ridiculous too, but I’m sure we’ll find people on here who wouldn’t do any of them, or at least they will claim to not do any of them. I know of at least one person who stopped working completely to avoid having to pay taxes that go to abortion.

Anyway, to answer your question, you might for example know an employee who works there, and know that they are PP supporters.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Ridiculous!! One couldn’t work for the water company or the gas company either with that kind of reasoning.

Same with not doing business with a company whose employees donate to PP. Individuals can donate to whomever they choose. Their employer can’t require them to not donate to this or that cause.
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Rich, for once, and it may never happen again, we are in total and complete agreement. Personally, I think this poll is completely silly. Why not include “breathe the same air as someone who supports abortion?”
 
Brooklyn said:
Rich, for once, and it may never happen again, we are in total and complete agreement. Personally, I think this poll is completely silly. Why not include “breathe the same air as someone who supports abortion?”
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The motive of the poll is to make people think about how almost all of us will compromise in some way, and to decide where the line should be drawn in a rational way. I got the idea when reading about how a diocese in Wisconsin is being forced to provide health insurance to employees that covers contraception. Some people are saying they should shut the diocese down and go underground. It got me thinking about how much cooperation with evil is okay, and how we decide.
 
Brooklyn said:
Rich, for once, and it may never happen again, we are in total and complete agreement. Personally, I think this poll is completely silly. Why not include “breathe the same air as someone who supports abortion?”
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Neil_Anthony said:
The motive of the poll is to make people think about how almost all of us will compromise in some way, and to decide where the line should be drawn in a rational way. It got me thinking about how much cooperation with evil is okay, and how we decide.
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None of the neutral things we do are indications of any “compromise,” and none of it demonstrates cooperation with evil. (Except for the first five choices)
 
Neil_Anthony said:
The motive of the poll is to make people think about how almost all of us will compromise in some way, and to decide where the line should be drawn in a rational way. I got the idea when reading about how a diocese in Wisconsin is being forced to provide health insurance to employees that covers contraception. Some people are saying they should shut the diocese down and go underground. It got me thinking about how much cooperation with evil is okay, and how we decide.
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I think you’ve taken it too far. Certainly providing insurance that covers contraception would be indirect support of abortion. But providing electricty to clinics? To not provide electricity to someone who pays their bills is a criminal offense. Abortion, as evil as it is, is legal in our land. We can’t physically stop it. Praying, witnessing and counseling in front of clinics, etc., those are all good things. But you can’t physically stop it. And that doesn’t mean you are coorperating with it.
 
Neil_Anthony said:
Hi,

I find some of them a bit ridiculous too, but I’m sure we’ll find people on here who wouldn’t do any of them, or at least they will claim to not do any of them. I know of at least one person who stopped working completely to avoid having to pay taxes that go to abortion.

Anyway, to answer your question, you might for example know an employee who works there, and know that they are PP supporters.
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Msgr. Philip Reilly, who is the Apostle of Life as Fr. Groeschel calls him, makes sure that none of his taxes go to support abortion. I’m not sure how he does it, but the government gets back at him by auditing him every year.

I work next to women who support abortion and in fact have had an abortion. Does talking and being friendly with them mean I support abortion? I don’t think so.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
None of the neutral things we do are indications of any “compromise,” and none of it demonstrates cooperation with evil. (Except for the first five choices)
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So just to be clear, you’re saying that Paying taxes to a government that uses the taxes to provide abortion isn’t cooperation with evil, even in a very remote way?

And if being a janitor for the landlord at the abortion clinic is cooperation with evil, then certainly working to provide them with electricity is too. It’s just more remote.
 
Brooklyn said:
I think you’ve taken it too far. Certainly providing insurance that covers contraception would be indirect support of abortion. But providing electricty to clinics? To not provide electricity to someone who pays their bills is a criminal offense. Abortion, as evil as it is, is legal in our land. We can’t physically stop it. Praying, witnessing and counseling in front of clinics, etc., those are all good things. But you can’t physically stop it. And that doesn’t mean you are coorperating with it.
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“Cooperation with evil” is a theological term. If you do anything that helps someone else do evil, that’s cooperation. That includes driving the abortionist to work, whether you’re a bus driver or his next door neighbour.

Yes, it might be a criminal offense to not cooperate with evil in some situations. The question is, do you do it or not? There’s a lot of theology that explains when it is okay to cooperate with evil and when it isn’t.
 
Neil_Anthony said:
So just to be clear, you’re saying that Paying taxes to a government that uses the taxes to provide abortion isn’t cooperation with evil, even in a very remote way?
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That’s what I’d say. There has to be some reasonable connection to make it cooperation. You might as well say that serving in the Armed Forces is remotely cooperating with abortion because our Army protects all its citizens, the pro-lifers and the abortion providers.
And if being a janitor for the landlord at the abortion clinic is cooperation with evil, then certainly working to provide them with electricity is too. It’s just more remote.
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I’d say that it’s not even remote, it’s non-existent.
 
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