Cooperation with evil - nuclear weapons

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I agree that the EMP paranoia may be exaggerated, but it is a real threat. I was trained on EMP in the military in the early 80’s. The Cold War has nothing to do with whether the physics of it is valid. A high altitude airburst of a nuclear weapon will produce EMP over a wide area. It has the potential to knock out power grids and electronics. There is even the possibility of non-nuke EMP weapons.

I wouldn’t want to create panic over it, but it is there. What is more, I have worked in the utility industry as a consultant. A power grid can be taken out over a wide area by causes other than EMP, like natural disasters. If it is a wide enough area, It could last for weeks and emergency services could easily be overwhelmed.
 
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The vulnerable targets were fewer, in my days. But one still had to be worried about shielding. And how to maintain that integrity.

And in those days I personally owned no stuff that I would worry about. Now I do.
 
You can design and build a nuke specifically intented to maximize EMP.

AND, apparently that is what North Korea is doing.

You don’t need a re-entry vehicle.

You don’t need a precise re-entry path.
 
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You misread what I wrote. The Cold War period helped design safeguards against EMP attacks. That is what I’m talking about. Research and Development did not start a few years ago. That is what I mean.

Yeah, we’re just going to sit around and do nothing. The Defense publications show they are acutely aware of the threat. It’s not paranoia at all. I didn’t write that. The average person does not read the specialized literature. The media just wants eyeballs so it scares people. I’ve read a number of “be prepared” scenarios, I get it. The infrastructure is in place.

Non-nuclear EMP weapons research has been going on for a while. But who can be bothered about knowing that?
 
I’m not sure what the point is you are trying to make, but I will take issue with one statement: The Cold War produced very little improvement of our ability to withstand EMP attacks. I would say we are even more vulnerable today than we were back then. So much more now depends on electronics. Very little hardening of the power grid resulted from the Cold War. There is not anywhere near a sufficient infrastructure in place.
 
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I sense a “trick” question here. My reply would be that Isaiah 2:19 and 66:15-16,and Psalm 9:15-16, and Luke 12:49 as well as many other passages are also about nuclear war.
 
It’s not a trick question. How do you conclude those passages are about nuclear war? They talk about the Lord bringing destruction, not man. They don’t describe the actual kind of destruction nukes do, and they don’t say anything about timing. So how do you get there?
 
The contradiction here is that in Genesis 8:21 YHWH said the He would never again initiate a world-wide disaster on the scale of the Deluge.
Psalm 9:15-16 provides clarification. It is the inventions of man that have harnessed the power of God for destruction.

Furthermore, the Divine Name is a mystery. It can be translated as “I am who I am,” and also as “I will be who I will be,” and even “I will be what I will be.” So YHWH can conceivably take the form of a nuclear weapon. “Chariots like the tempest” could be ICBMs being launched. Nuclear bombs are weapons of fire, and it is fire in Isaiah 66:15-16 that is the instrument of YHWH’s judgment on mankind. So, i do not agree with your statement that ancient prophecy does not describe the actual kind of destruction that nukes do. Jeremiah 25:33 is most graphic.

YHWH’s divine judgment of mankind happens in the last days of the world, often referred to as “that day” in scripture. In Isaiah 3:21-24 we find a perfect describe of conditions for Jewish women in a WW II forced labor camp as well as the term “that day.”

Instead of a scent, a stink;
instead of a belt, a rope;
Instead of nice hair, a shaven scalp
instead of a pretty dress, a sack;
and brand marks* instead of beauty.
*(Tattooing is considered a form of branding when done for identification.)

We should conclude that we are now in the Great Day of the Lord. Most people don’t acknowledge this, but remember Jesus said that He would return like a thief in the night and catch the world unaware. Yes, I am saying that the return of Jesus is global nuclear war. (Luke 12:49)

Timing is also confirmed by more modern prophecy which says that we will have only one more pope, under whose reign the “terrible Judge will judge his people.” I would refer you to End Times Speculation for discussion about this.

The terrible vision of Pope St. Pius X also refers to the “last days of the world.” It is about some kind of disaster at Vatican City which now appears to be an ISIS attack. If the prophecy that calls for just one more pope is correct, then Pius X’s terrible must be fulfilled during the lifetime of Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI. He is 91 years now and may not be doing so well, so I think that 2018 will be the year of fulfillment, maybe even as early as Easter Sunday.
 
That’s an interesting interpretation and I accept that it is your interpretation. But you have to admit, those passages don’t actually say any of that. You are reading that in.
 
Pretty much none of this is true.

Our electrical distribution industry and our Congress have pretty much looked the other way continuously.

In fact, by talking up the idea of having an electrical “network” they are more or less guaranteed that a system electrical failure will propagate throughout the entire system.
 
I’m not complaining I am speaking my view and you don’t like it - your upset because I won’t agree with you - get use to it there are lots of us who abhor nuclear weapons and my country is nuke free and I am proud of it.
 
Ha! It takes a lot more than that to get me upset. Believe what you want. Enjoy your nuke free country. If it were not for the US arsenal, you wouldn’t have it for long.
 
edwest211 said:
I was there during the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962
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The whole thing (Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962) seems indefensible to me. Why is it wrong for Russia to have missiles near the US, but it is not wrong for the US to have missiles near Russia?
 
So, too,the profitable use of aborted baby parts for developing more effective and highly targeted biological weapons? What about using Margaret Sanger’s undesirables to test and develop chemical weapons that were not too strong, nor too weak and specific enough to be “just right?”
Would biological and chemical weapons be the right choice for deterence, or for some other “justifiable” cause?
Nuclear disarmament and elimination of nuclear weapons programs is the only rational solution. God speaks to.this through the magisterial teaching.
 
AlNg said:
You might try reading:

The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb (New ed.)

by Gar Alperovitz

and

Hiroshima Nagasaki: The Real Story of the Atomic Bombings and Their Aftermath

by Paul Ham

and

Racing the Enemy: Stalin, Truman, and the Surrender of Japan by Tsuyoshi Hasegawa.

and

Hiroshima in America by Robert J. Lifton and Greg Mitchell.
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neophyte said:
Challenge accepted- I’m not afraid to be proven wrong. Which one would you suggest first?

How about you? You gonna study Downfall?
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So, AINg, no comment? You don’t have the nerve? Figures…
 
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