Coping with Constant Irrational Guilt over Homeschooling

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AHHHHHHHHHHH! :banghead:

This is one of my MAJOR pet peeves.

Music class is NOT for socialization! Recess is for socialization. Take your kids to the public school during recess if you want them to socialize. I am a public school music teacher and I have had to disillusion many, many parents (homeschool and otherwise) of the myth that my classroom is designed to be a place for their child to socialize with other children.

From the moment the children walk into my classrom, until the moment they leave, they are engaged in intense learning and performance that requires their full concentration. The only talking is classroom discussion, asking questions, etc. No, this is not “freetime” or “choice time” or “playtime” or whatever people want to call it. My students learn to sight-read music, sing in choral parts, dance, and play an array of instruments including recorder, dulcimer, African percussion, guitar, and keyboard. If you wouldn’t consider math class a place to socialize, then you shouldn’t consider music class a place to socialize.

It’s this simple: If your goal is something other than your kid learning music, then don’t put them in my class, because that’s what we are going to be doing.

That being said, I have had many wonderful homeschool students in my classes over the years, whose parents ARE serious about their kids learning to read music, sing, and play instruments. I’ve also had a few nightmare parents who have kids that are already years behind in their musical skills, bring them to maybe three of eight lessons in a month and skip the others, and then get mad when they don’t get a solo in the concert!
Oh, goodness, I did phrase that badly! Sorry about that…typing with a kiddo on my lap and in a hurry. 😉

I quite agree with everything you said here! My degree is actually in music, so I completely understand your point. No, by “socialization” I was referring to being around other kids their age and doing an activity with them. Friendships often come from being in these sorts of situations together, but no, they aren’t going to be the focus of the class itself. I wouldn’t tolerate talking during rehearsal any more than you would, and ditto goofing around during sports practice rather than focusing on the tasks at hand.

As to your last paragraph, yet another reason I’ll be sending the kids off for music lessons. 😉 Theory and voice I can do, but having no background beyond piano requirement, I am in no position to teach instruments. At the same time, I know how wonderful those skills and experiences can be, and would like them for my kids if they’re interested.

Thank you for all you do!
 
Oh, goodness, I did phrase that badly! Sorry about that…typing with a kiddo on my lap and in a hurry. 😉

I quite agree with everything you said here! My degree is actually in music, so I completely understand your point. No, by “socialization” I was referring to being around other kids their age and doing an activity with them. Friendships often come from being in these sorts of situations together, but no, they aren’t going to be the focus of the class itself. I wouldn’t tolerate talking during rehearsal any more than you would, and ditto goofing around during sports practice rather than focusing on the tasks at hand.

As to your last paragraph, yet another reason I’ll be sending the kids off for music lessons. 😉 Theory and voice I can do, but having no background beyond piano requirement, I am in no position to teach instruments. At the same time, I know how wonderful those skills and experiences can be, and would like them for my kids if they’re interested.

Thank you for all you do!
And “socialization” isn’t just being with other kids–learning how to be in a group of age peers and to follow a teacher’s instructions when you are one of many is also “socialization.”
 
Oh, goodness, I did phrase that badly! Sorry about that…typing with a kiddo on my lap and in a hurry. 😉

I quite agree with everything you said here! My degree is actually in music, so I completely understand your point. No, by “socialization” I was referring to being around other kids their age and doing an activity with them. Friendships often come from being in these sorts of situations together, but no, they aren’t going to be the focus of the class itself. I wouldn’t tolerate talking during rehearsal any more than you would, and ditto goofing around during sports practice rather than focusing on the tasks at hand.

As to your last paragraph, yet another reason I’ll be sending the kids off for music lessons. 😉 Theory and voice I can do, but having no background beyond piano requirement, I am in no position to teach instruments. At the same time, I know how wonderful those skills and experiences can be, and would like them for my kids if they’re interested.

Thank you for all you do!
Okay. We’re cool. 👍
 
This is 100% speculation, because I have never homeschooled. BUT:

Parents who homeschool their children often (not always) do so because they are afraid to let their children grow up and become real people in the real world. Homeschooled children are ‘protected’ from things like ‘different opinions’ and ‘different ideas than Mom and Dad have.’

Homeschooled children don’t learn the same social lessons the rest of us do–private/public schools are difficult for children, and they may not like having to learn social skills (because school sucks. It always does), but the stereotype bears a kernel of truth: homeschooled children often grow up to be a little weird and isolated and don’t fit in, because they never learned how. Their base-line experiences are much more limited than kids who learn to deal with a classroom of peers that are utterly different from themselves, rather than the microcosm of their insulated home.

Homeschooling sounds hard. Exhausting, even. But you are choosing to exhaust yourself why? To make sure your kids stay Catholic enough? It sounds like you don’t trust your kids and like you don’t trust the world. MAYBE (I don’t know) you feel guilty because you know there is an important component missing from their lives?

Edit: posted before I saw your follow-up reply.
These sound like the kinds of arguments secularists use to get more kids in the public schools.
 
And “socialization” isn’t just being with other kids–learning how to be in a group of age peers and to follow a teacher’s instructions when you are one of many is also “socialization.”
Technically yes, but that’s not the kind of socialization parents are demanding when I explain that talking out in rehearsal results in sitting out and other consequences.
 
I’ve been wondering about this argument for “normal” socialisation. The way the school system works these days is relatively new. 20-30 kids in a classroom, a certain kind of dynamic, rules of engagement, ideas about what education is, etc. Those people who think this is the only healthy environment in which children can successfully socialise must think that all people before the era of modern schooling were not well socialised and weird. I’d like to hear how they envision the workings of societies in the past since children learned to socialise in very different settings.

I know this is not central to the OP’s concern, but it is important to keep things in perspective and be reminded that we are dealing with a trend in education and that the history of humanity shows that people can socialise perfectly well without the school setting as we know it today.
 
I’ve been wondering about this argument for “normal” socialisation. The way the school system works these days is relatively new. 20-30 kids in a classroom, a certain kind of dynamic, rules of engagement, ideas about what education is, etc. Those people who think this is the only healthy environment in which children can successfully socialise must think that all people before the era of modern schooling were not well socialised and weird. I’d like to hear how they envision the workings of societies in the past since children learned to socialise in very different settings.

**Well, one older pattern was that kids might only go to school around 7 or so and then around 10+, they’d head off to work, perhaps living with the person they were apprenticed to and being legally compelled to continue working for that person through their term of service, or maybe even go of to sea as a cabin boy at 12 or even earlier.

Here’s an example of a runaway apprentice advertisement from 1820:

communities.northumberland.gov.uk/006874FS.htm**

Another older pattern is boarding school–I suppose that actually makes some sense in rural areas where the population density was not great enough to support good schools.

On the one hand, school starts way earlier today than it did in years past. On the other hand, I think it’s definitely true that in years past, there was a much higher comfort level with launching a child out of the house at an earlier age than we are generally happy with.

I know this is not central to the OP’s concern, but it is important to keep things in perspective and be reminded that we are dealing with a trend in education and that the history of humanity shows that people can socialise perfectly well without the school setting as we know it today.
But a homeschooling family definitely needs to make an extra effort in that area, rather than assuming that all will be well (just as school parents need to scrutinize what kind of effect their child’s peer group is having).

If you poke around the internet, you’ll find many 1st person stories of former homeschooled children who believe that their parents have done them serious social damage through isolation.

Here’s a quote:

"I sometimes wonder if one reason so many home school parents cannot seem to understand the real meaning of the socialization question is that, having been socialized themselves, they cannot imagine what it would be like to not be.

“They don’t understand what it feels like to be a foreigner in your own country. They don’t understand what it feels like to not be able to fit in. They don’t understand what it’s like to berobbed of the ability to be normal because they have the ability to be normal. Parents who home school may choose to be different, but their children have no such choice.”

homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/looking-back-at-my-fundamentalist-home-schooling-past-sheldons-story/
 
I’ve been wondering about this argument for “normal” socialisation. The way the school system works these days is relatively new. 20-30 kids in a classroom, a certain kind of dynamic, rules of engagement, ideas about what education is, etc. Those people who think this is the only healthy environment in which children can successfully socialise must think that all people before the era of modern schooling were not well socialised and weird. I’d like to hear how they envision the workings of societies in the past since children learned to socialise in very different settings.

I know this is not central to the OP’s concern, but it is important to keep things in perspective and be reminded that we are dealing with a trend in education and that the history of humanity shows that people can socialise perfectly well without the school setting as we know it today.
Residential patterns also matter a lot.

It’s different to homeschool on a block where there are a dozen or so kids your kids’ age and they’re always out playing versus homeschooling in a suburban cul de sac where nobody ever goes outside, ever, versus homeschooling in a rural location where it’s 20+ minutes’ drive to “town.”

I wasn’t homeschooled, but my parents did move from a rough small town neighborhood (but one that had lots of kids) to a house under construction in the country when I was about 9, and although at the time, it was very enjoyable to do all of the country kid stuff (tree house, messing around in creeks, etc.) the transportation issues did mean that afterschool activities were largely out of reach. Our closest neighbors were about 1/2 a mile up the road and when I was at home, we played with a single neighbor girl maybe once or twice and that was it. As far as seeing other kids socially was concerned, we might as well have been living on a moon base. That wasn’t great for my social development. At the time, I didn’t mind it at all (my younger sister minded it plenty, though–she was a much more social critter), but as I’ve had my children and been raising them, I more and more question my parents’ choice to isolate us like that (even though we were in school).

Even just in the case of parents who were considering the idyllic country life for children in school, I would urge them to think long and hard about what they will be doing to make up the deficiencies before going that route.
 
But a homeschooling family definitely needs to make an extra effort in that area, rather than assuming that all will be well (just as school parents need to scrutinize what kind of effect their child’s peer group is having).

If you poke around the internet, you’ll find many 1st person stories of former homeschooled children who believe that their parents have done them serious social damage through isolation.

Here’s a quote:

"I sometimes wonder if one reason so many home school parents cannot seem to understand the real meaning of the socialization question is that, having been socialized themselves, they cannot imagine what it would be like to not be.

“They don’t understand what it feels like to be a foreigner in your own country. They don’t understand what it feels like to not be able to fit in. They don’t understand what it’s like to berobbed of the ability to be normal because they have the ability to be normal. Parents who home school may choose to be different, but their children have no such choice.”

homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/looking-back-at-my-fundamentalist-home-schooling-past-sheldons-story/
Most children go to day school and spend most of the rest of their time at leisure of their choosing (TV, friends, sports, clubs, etc) and most adults share that common experience. A child who is home schooled, or sent to boarding school, or has a career in acting or music, or is training to be an olympian, or works a full week on his parent’s farm, or watches younger siblings everynight while their parents work, or spends long stretches of their childhood in a hospital, or is homeless and lives in their car, run the risk of feeling isolated because they don’t share the standard common experiences of other people’s childhoods. Some kids DO share the common experiences and still feel isolated because they don’t like the same music and TV shows as other kids, or don’t have the same clothes and hair. I don’t think the solution here is to cookie cutter your kids’ lives. I think the solution is to teach them to deal with being different and appreciate the fact that sometimes different is unavoidable and sometimes different is worth it.
 
Most children go to day school and spend most of the rest of their time at leisure of their choosing (TV, friends, sports, clubs, etc) and most adults share that common experience. A child who is home schooled, or sent to boarding school, or has a career in acting or music, or is training to be an olympian, or works a full week on his parent’s farm, or watches younger siblings everynight while their parents work, or spends long stretches of their childhood in a hospital, or is homeless and lives in their car, run the risk of feeling isolated because they don’t share the standard common experiences of other people’s childhoods. Some kids DO share the common experiences and still feel isolated because they don’t like the same music and TV shows as other kids, or don’t have the same clothes and hair. I don’t think the solution here is to cookie cutter your kids’ lives. I think the solution is to teach them to deal with being different and appreciate the fact that sometimes different is unavoidable and sometimes different is worth it.
What if they don’t actually want to be “different” and view themselves as being cookie-cuttered into unconventional lives of their parents’ choosing?

There are different kinds of cookie cutters.
 
What if they don’t actually want to be “different” and view themselves as being cookie-cuttered into unconventional lives of their parents’ choosing?

There are different kinds of cookie cutters.
That’s my point though. Everyone is “different” in some way and if you truely want to bond with someone, you can certainly find some sort of common experience, despite where you went to school. If not, then you can create some!

I just got to listen to a meltdown from a child this week who was convinced that her new BFF would not want to be her friend anymore because her father won’t let her play in the bounce house at BFF’s birthday party this weekend. (Her arm is broken in two places.) It doesn’t matter how much you try, there are times when you just can’t do the same as other people. Instead of planning your life around the completely irrational and impossible task of being “the same” as everyone you will ever meet, the healthy response is to learn to deal with being different.
 
What if they don’t actually want to be “different” and view themselves as being cookie-cuttered into unconventional lives of their parents’ choosing?

There are different kinds of cookie cutters.
PS- As this is a Catholic forum and I’m assuming most of us want to raise Catholic children, it should be obvious that it is very important to teach Catholic children in particular that “because everyone else does it” is not a valid reason to do ANYTHING.
 
I don’t think the solution here is to cookie cutter your kids’ lives. I think the solution is to teach them to deal with being different and appreciate the fact that sometimes different is unavoidable and sometimes different is worth it.
I think this is really important. I absolutely dread peer pressure and my kids going with the flow just to fit in. Teaching them to appreciate their individuality and not be afraid of being different would benefit them in all stages of life.
 
PS- As this is a Catholic forum and I’m assuming most of us want to raise Catholic children, it should be obvious that it is very important to teach Catholic children in particular that “because everyone else does it” is not a valid reason to do ANYTHING.
Absolutely! At the same time, homeschooling parents can (and in my experience with a number of homeschool groups over the years, frequently do) go overboard in protecting their children to the point that it’s virtually impossible for those kids to socialize with other kids.

As an example, by the time I was 8-10 I had been taught that the following were sinful or just “bad”:

–Listening to pop music of any kind
–Wearing particularly “girly” outfits, especially any that included leggings or any kind of cartoon or popular characters
–Watching TV of any kind
–Watching any Disney movie that had a princess in it, except “Beauty and the Beast”
–Wearing shoes with cartoon characters or lights in the soles
–Wearing nail polish or makeup, even though at that age it would only be for dressup/play
–Wearing a two-piece bathing suit
–Talking to boys
–Giggling
–Sleepovers
–Acting silly
–Video games, up to and including taking turns playing “Tetris” on a Nintendo hand-held game (yes, I’m dating myself here 😛 )
–Calling an adult by their first name, even if they asked me to
–Reading most books that other children read
–Playing with Barbies (or other fashion dolls) or Polly Pockets
–Eating fruit rollups and similar snacks

I also hadn’t been allowed to have any but one or two carefully-selected friends.

As a result, all other children (and later, teenagers and those in my peer group in college) were a complete unknown to me. I had nothing in common with them beyond our respective ages. Nothing. I couldn’t talk to them about anything, I wasn’t allowed to do most of the things they did for fun, and as a child and young teenager I had unconsciously assumed the attitude that if all those things listed above were “bad,” then that was true of the people who did them.

I now have a few close friends (interestingly, all but one of them were homeschooled), but I had exactly one friend in high school, and the reason we were friends was that she, like me, was an outsider who’d moved to a small town high school. By then, I was smart enough not to tell my parents that this friend, who was courteous and polite and somehow got under their radar, was also a bisexual Wiccan. We bonded more over being incapable of socializing with our peers than anything else.

I’ll teach my children to be “different” in that they’ll be taught to adhere to truth even when it’s hard, but I will *not *force them into the sort of insane mold I described above. I’ve talked to a lot of former homeschoolers, and most of them lived in the sort of rigid madness I described above, too, though their rules were sometimes a bit different, albeit just as arbitrary. (Other typical rules included that Disney Princess movies might be okay, for example, because they taught a girl that her job in life was to wait for a husband, but any sections involving magic had to be fast-forwarded. Or that any girl or woman who wore pants or shorts was “a bad woman” and to be avoided lest she lead your five-year-old brother into sin. Etc.) Not all homeschoolers lived like that–my husband was homeschooled, and had a good experience plus the advantage of having parents who enrolled the kids in extracurriculars at the local public schools from a young age–but this sort of thing is very common in religious homeschooled kids. To this day, I have to reevaluate my initial reaction to every single person I meet because it’s almost always very negative and very wrong: “Oh, she wears high heels and tailored slacks. BAD!” “He goes out for a few beers with his friends after work. Clearly, he’s a despicable human being who’ll be a terrible and neglectful father.” I only wish I were making this up.

I still have almost nothing in common with most of my peers, and find it very difficult to make conversation if there isn’t a definite goal to it. I didn’t have “the college experience” because I was working three jobs and taking overloads on classes; I had no time for the extracurriculars that make up that experience, so I feel like a fish out of water when people talk about theirs’. (Don’t get me wrong; I don’t regret not drinking to oblivion or doing equally stupid things, but it would have been nice to have the time and social ability to join the on-campus Catholic group or go to a sports event occasionally, that sort of thing.)

Lest you all think I’m being terribly dramatic, let me mention that I do have some friends, and that I actively work on learning how to be better socially every day. It’s still hard, though, and I wouldn’t wish it on my kids.

One final note: growing up like this is enough to make a lot of kids reject their faith. When you finally reach 18 or 20 and realize that throughout your life wearing cartoon-character tennis shoes and having extramarital sex have been held as being pretty much equivalent on the “Bad, Evil, Terrible Things Some People Do Scale,” there’s a very good chance you’ll use the common sense God gave the average platypus and get the heck out of Dodge–and, by extension, your church. Learning to be different from society by saving sex until marriage and living in a kind and charitable way is great. Learning that in order to do so you must have nothing whatsoever in common with anyone who doesn’t believe exactly as you do is counter-productive.
 
Absolutely! At the same time, homeschooling parents can (and in my experience with a number of homeschool groups over the years, frequently do) go overboard in protecting their children to the point that it’s virtually impossible for those kids to socialize with other kids.

As an example, by the time I was 8-10 I had been taught that the following were sinful or just “bad”:

–Listening to pop music of any kind
–Wearing particularly “girly” outfits, especially any that included leggings or any kind of cartoon or popular characters
–Watching TV of any kind
–Watching any Disney movie that had a princess in it, except “Beauty and the Beast”
–Wearing shoes with cartoon characters or lights in the soles
–Wearing nail polish or makeup, even though at that age it would only be for dressup/play
–Wearing a two-piece bathing suit
–Talking to boys
–Giggling
–Sleepovers
–Acting silly
–Video games, up to and including taking turns playing “Tetris” on a Nintendo hand-held game (yes, I’m dating myself here 😛 )
–Calling an adult by their first name, even if they asked me to
–Reading most books that other children read
–Playing with Barbies (or other fashion dolls) or Polly Pockets
–Eating fruit rollups and similar snacks

I also hadn’t been allowed to have any but one or two carefully-selected friends.

As a result, all other children (and later, teenagers and those in my peer group in college) were a complete unknown to me. I had nothing in common with them beyond our respective ages. Nothing. I couldn’t talk to them about anything, I wasn’t allowed to do most of the things they did for fun, and as a child and young teenager I had unconsciously assumed the attitude that if all those things listed above were “bad,” then that was true of the people who did them.

I now have a few close friends (interestingly, all but one of them were homeschooled), but I had exactly one friend in high school, and the reason we were friends was that she, like me, was an outsider who’d moved to a small town high school. By then, I was smart enough not to tell my parents that this friend, who was courteous and polite and somehow got under their radar, was also a bisexual Wiccan. We bonded more over being incapable of socializing with our peers than anything else.

I’ll teach my children to be “different” in that they’ll be taught to adhere to truth even when it’s hard, but I will *not *force them into the sort of insane mold I described above. I’ve talked to a lot of former homeschoolers, and most of them lived in the sort of rigid madness I described above, too, though their rules were sometimes a bit different, albeit just as arbitrary. (Other typical rules included that Disney Princess movies might be okay, for example, because they taught a girl that her job in life was to wait for a husband, but any sections involving magic had to be fast-forwarded. Or that any girl or woman who wore pants or shorts was “a bad woman” and to be avoided lest she lead your five-year-old brother into sin. Etc.) Not all homeschoolers lived like that–my husband was homeschooled, and had a good experience plus the advantage of having parents who enrolled the kids in extracurriculars at the local public schools from a young age–but this sort of thing is very common in religious homeschooled kids. To this day, I have to reevaluate my initial reaction to every single person I meet because it’s almost always very negative and very wrong: “Oh, she wears high heels and tailored slacks. BAD!” “He goes out for a few beers with his friends after work. Clearly, he’s a despicable human being who’ll be a terrible and neglectful father.” I only wish I were making this up.

I still have almost nothing in common with most of my peers, and find it very difficult to make conversation if there isn’t a definite goal to it. I didn’t have “the college experience” because I was working three jobs and taking overloads on classes; I had no time for the extracurriculars that make up that experience, so I feel like a fish out of water when people talk about theirs’. (Don’t get me wrong; I don’t regret not drinking to oblivion or doing equally stupid things, but it would have been nice to have the time and social ability to join the on-campus Catholic group or go to a sports event occasionally, that sort of thing.)

Lest you all think I’m being terribly dramatic, let me mention that I do have some friends, and that I actively work on learning how to be better socially every day. It’s still hard, though, and I wouldn’t wish it on my kids.

One final note: growing up like this is enough to make a lot of kids reject their faith. When you finally reach 18 or 20 and realize that throughout your life wearing cartoon-character tennis shoes and having extramarital sex have been held as being pretty much equivalent on the “Bad, Evil, Terrible Things Some People Do Scale,” there’s a very good chance you’ll use the common sense God gave the average platypus and get the heck out of Dodge–and, by extension, your church. Learning to be different from society by saving sex until marriage and living in a kind and charitable way is great. Learning that in order to do so you must have nothing whatsoever in common with anyone who doesn’t believe exactly as you do is counter-productive.
Not only religious or homeschooling people take this tone. I have a friend who is outraged that her child’s school would honor service men in uniform on vetren’s day. She honestly believes that her extreme pacifism is normal and that any sign of the existance of military is “indoctrining the children in war-mongering”. I have a coworker who literally teaches her daughter that eating non-GMO carrots is the same as injecting heroine. Regardless of the content, this sort of attitude is harmful.
 
Not only religious or homeschooling people take this tone. I have a friend who is outraged that her child’s school would honor service men in uniform on vetren’s day. She honestly believes that her extreme pacifism is normal and that any sign of the existance of military is “indoctrining the children in war-mongering”. I have a coworker who literally teaches her daughter that eating non-GMO carrots is the same as injecting heroine. Regardless of the content, this sort of attitude is harmful.
Isn’t that kind of the way of middle class parenting now? I don’t remember there being so many things parents “didn’t do” even ten years ago. Now, it seems like parents are just obsessed with controlling their children and engineering every experience they are allowed to have. I mean, just in one of my kids’ classes, there are parents who don’t “do”
-screens
-Disney
-pop music
-sugar
-Halloween
-birthday parties
-spending the night at a friend’s house
-grains
-dairy
-time-outs
-bottles/pacifiers (we didn’t use those either, but not because of some agenda)
-meat
-organized sports
-bathing suits
-Barbies
-Vaccines
-microwaves
-Letting their kids ride in anyone else’s vehicle, ever

This is not to mention the broader spectrum parents that “don’t do” religion, gender, school, Western medicine, any type of formal education, discipline, the word “no”, shorts, technology, diapers…

More and more I feel like parents love to identify themselves by the aspects of normal society which they reject, in much the same way as a lot of people love to identify themselves by what they refuse to eat. Much of it is based on a rejection of science and is completely arbitrarily chosen, either for attention or out of fear. This is totally not intended toward the OP, just an observation from a former homeschooler and current private-schooler.
 
As an example, by the time I was 8-10 I had been taught that the following were sinful or just “bad”:

–Wearing particularly “girly” outfits, especially any that included leggings or any kind of cartoon or popular characters

What did leggings ever do to your parents? Gah!

–Watching TV of any kind

Gah!

–Watching any Disney movie that had a princess in it, except “Beauty and the Beast”

That’s…revealing.

I also hadn’t been allowed to have any but one or two carefully-selected friends.

As a result, all other children (and later, teenagers and those in my peer group in college) were a complete unknown to me. I had nothing in common with them beyond our respective ages. Nothing. I couldn’t talk to them about anything, I wasn’t allowed to do most of the things they did for fun, and as a child and young teenager I had unconsciously assumed the attitude that if all those things listed above were “bad,” then that was true of the people who did them.

**Yeah, I think it’s a really good idea to cultivate wholesome activities for our kids that they can have in common with other children and be able to talk about.
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I now have a few close friends (interestingly, all but one of them were homeschooled), but I had exactly one friend in high school, and the reason we were friends was that she, like me, was an outsider who’d moved to a small town high school. By then, I was smart enough not to tell my parents that this friend, who was courteous and polite and somehow got under their radar, was also a bisexual Wiccan. We bonded more over being incapable of socializing with our peers than anything else.

I’ll teach my children to be “different” in that they’ll be taught to adhere to truth even when it’s hard, but I will *not *force them into the sort of insane mold I described above. I’ve talked to a lot of former homeschoolers, and most of them lived in the sort of rigid madness I described above, too, though their rules were sometimes a bit different, albeit just as arbitrary. (Other typical rules included that Disney Princess movies might be okay, for example, because they taught a girl that her job in life was to wait for a husband, but any sections involving magic had to be fast-forwarded. Or that any girl or woman who wore pants or shorts was “a bad woman” and to be avoided lest she lead your five-year-old brother into sin. Etc.) Not all homeschoolers lived like that–my husband was homeschooled, and had a good experience plus the advantage of having parents who enrolled the kids in extracurriculars at the local public schools from a young age–but this sort of thing is very common in religious homeschooled kids. To this day, I have to reevaluate my initial reaction to every single person I meet because it’s almost always very negative and very wrong: “Oh, she wears high heels and tailored slacks. BAD!” “He goes out for a few beers with his friends after work. Clearly, he’s a despicable human being who’ll be a terrible and neglectful father.” I only wish I were making this up.

I still have almost nothing in common with most of my peers, and find it very difficult to make conversation if there isn’t a definite goal to it. I didn’t have “the college experience” because I was working three jobs and taking overloads on classes; I had no time for the extracurriculars that make up that experience, so I feel like a fish out of water when people talk about theirs’. (Don’t get me wrong; I don’t regret not drinking to oblivion or doing equally stupid things, but it would have been nice to have the time and social ability to join the on-campus Catholic group or go to a sports event occasionally, that sort of thing.)

Lest you all think I’m being terribly dramatic, let me mention that I do have some friends, and that I actively work on learning how to be better socially every day. It’s still hard, though, and I wouldn’t wish it on my kids.

**Yeah. I don’t think my parents were terrible people for moving us out to the country just at the age where a little more peer interaction outside school and some wholesome activities would have been valuable, and there were definitely perks to the farm lifestyle, but my social development certainly suffered a great deal.

Until I had big kids of my own, my thoughts on this hadn’t gelled, but now that I have two school-age kids, I can see how important it is for them to interact with classmates outside school, for me to help them cultivate their friendships, and for them to be able to develop their interests, not my interests. Some things are mandatory at our house (CCD and swim lessons), but I feel that we ought to respect and cultivate children’s individuality.

**

One final note: growing up like this is enough to make a lot of kids reject their faith. When you finally reach 18 or 20 and realize that throughout your life wearing cartoon-character tennis shoes and having extramarital sex have been held as being pretty much equivalent on the “Bad, Evil, Terrible Things Some People Do Scale,” there’s a very good chance you’ll use the common sense God gave the average platypus and get the heck out of Dodge–and, by extension, your church. Learning to be different from society by saving sex until marriage and living in a kind and charitable way is great. Learning that in order to do so you must have nothing whatsoever in common with anyone who doesn’t believe exactly as you do is counter-productive.
Yep. A lot of people throw out the baby with the bathwater. I’ve been skimming through the archives at No Longer Quivering the last couple months, and a lot of people lose their faith in the course of leaving extreme and abusive versions of it.
 
I should mention that the small town neighborhood we lived in from when I was around 4 to nearly 9 was pretty rough. We had a biker gang hang-out in the lot backing to our lot and a (small, thank goodness) public housing development across the street and at one point, a couple of my little “friends” walked into our house, took a bunch of our toys (there weren’t many) and pulverized a bunch of them in a vacant lot. Under the circumstances, I get why leaving town and moving into an unfinished house out in the country where there would be almost nobody for us to play with seemed like a good idea at the time.

But, I would definitely encourage anything similarly radical (whether homeschooling or rural life) to think long and hard about such questions as:
  1. Who will my child be friends with?
  2. Does my child have any friends? If not, what can I do about it?
  3. Does my child have interests he or she can share with other children?
  4. Am I making it impossible for my child to make and keep friends?
 
Isn’t that kind of the way of middle class parenting now? I don’t remember there being so many things parents “didn’t do” even ten years ago. Now, it seems like parents are just obsessed with controlling their children and engineering every experience they are allowed to have. I mean, just in one of my kids’ classes, there are parents who don’t “do”
-screens
-Disney
-pop music
-sugar
-Halloween
-birthday parties
-spending the night at a friend’s house
-grains
-dairy
-time-outs
-bottles/pacifiers (we didn’t use those either, but not because of some agenda)
-meat
-organized sports
-bathing suits
-Barbies
-Vaccines
-microwaves
-Letting their kids ride in anyone else’s vehicle, ever

This is not to mention the broader spectrum parents that “don’t do” religion, gender, school, Western medicine, any type of formal education, discipline, the word “no”, shorts, technology, diapers…

More and more I feel like parents love to identify themselves by the aspects of normal society which they reject, in much the same way as a lot of people love to identify themselves by what they refuse to eat. Much of it is based on a rejection of science and is completely arbitrarily chosen, either for attention or out of fear. This is totally not intended toward the OP, just an observation from a former homeschooler and current private-schooler.
There is a difference between choosing as a parent to not buy your kids Barbie dolls and declaring Barbie dolls to be intrinsically evil instruments of Satan. I don’t think there is a problem with saying “no” to things you think are harmful. The harm is in the attitude that the world is full of corrupt idiots who cannot do anything right and every choice mom and dad make is morally, physically, and intellectually superior.
 
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