Coptic bishop blasts Anglican bishop over Islam

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onesimplemind:
So what is it?
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What is what? I don’t understand the question you’re asking now.
 
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onesimplemind:
And what is the right interpretation of the word “muslim”?
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one that submits to God…

Islam = peaceful submission to God…

and i am sooo tired of the 9/11 excuse. TONS of Muslims died in 9/11 too… its a tragedy, it happened, but stuff like that happens all the time. instead of fighting each other, we should figure out why it happened and how we can stop it from happening again…
 
According to a muslim website I found, it means:
The original meaning of “Islam” is the acceptance of a view or a condition which previously was not accepted. In the language of the Holy Qur’an, Islam means the readiness of a person to take orders from God and to follow them. “Muslim” is a word taken from the word Islam. It applies to the person who is ready to take orders from God and follow them.
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al-islam.org/inquiries/2.html
 
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Muslim:
and i am sooo tired of the 9/11 excuse. TONS of Muslims died in 9/11 too… its a tragedy, it happened, but stuff like that happens all the time. instead of fighting each other, we should figure out why it happened and how we can stop it from happening again…
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How about massive protests in the muslim world against terrorists as a start. How about burning bin Laden in effigy en masse. But I HIGHLY doubt that will happen
 
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Muslim:
yeah thats what it basically says… you submit to God peacefully… meaning without being forced.
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Do non-muslims have to submit too?
 
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onesimplemind:
How about massive protests in the muslim world against terrorists as a start. How about burning bin Laden in effigy en masse. But I HIGHLY doubt that will happen
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it happened, i showed you but you are still too blind.
 
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onesimplemind:
Do non-muslims have to submit too?
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Muslim = one who submits to God. its simple and clear as that.

if the Prophets submitted to God then technically they are Muslims. if you submit to God, you are technically a Muslim.
 
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Muslim:
it happened, i showed you but you are still too blind.
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where? Is the Zionist media covering it up? I want to see frequent bin Laden BBQ effigy fests.
 
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onesimplemind:
You have to submit? Allah better be a stable god.
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Allah IS God…same God you supposedly worship.
Arab Christian refers to God as Allah as well. although recently they started to use another word to distinguish themselves.
 
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onesimplemind:
Tiqqiya

I want to see bin Laden burn in effigy. That would be a real protest. I want to see as many bin Ladens burn in effigy as I seen Denmark flags burn
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This makes no sense. First, you say “Muslims aren’t protesting at all!”

Then, someone gives you pictures of a protest, and you say “Yeah, well they’re just doing that to fool us!”.

How can they possibly convince you when this is your thinking?
 
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pro_universal:
This makes no sense. First, you say “Muslims aren’t protesting at all!”

Then, someone gives you pictures of a protest, and you say “Yeah, well they’re just doing that to fool us!”.

How can they possibly convince you when this is your thinking?
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A burning bin Laden effigy. Thats a real muslim protest.

They burn just about anything else they are mad at.
 
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onesimplemind:
And what is the right interpretation of the word “muslim”?
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The Arabic word “muslim” literally means “submitter”. It can one who submits to the Islamist God, Allah or Christian God, Trinity. So, every Christian can be called Trinitarian Muslim 😃
 
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Muslim:
Allah IS God…same God you supposedly worship.
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Allah IS NOT God. He was, is and will never be God worshipped by the Middle Eastern Christians (ie Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanonese and Iraqi).
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Muslim:
Arab Christian refers to God as Allah as well.
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This is a common myth propagated by Islamists. The truth is there was, is, will never be such thing as “Arab Christian”, yes for 2000 years, right from the 1st century up until the 21st century.

Egyptians Christians were always Copts who descended from the ancient Pharoahs converted from paganism to Christian faith. Both the Coptic Orthodox Church and Coptic Catholic Church for 2000-years have used Coptic not Arabic as their liturgical language.

Syrian, Lebanonese and Iraqi Christians were always Assyrians who converted from paganism to the Christian faith. The Syriac Orthodox Church, Chaldean Catholic Church and Assyrian Church of the East have always used since the 1st century right up until the 21st century, Syriac as their liturgical language, not Arabic nor Kurdish.

Palestinian Christians are Greek Orthodox and Greek Catholic and both use Koine Greek, the natural language of our Lord Jesus as their liturgical language.
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Muslim:
although recently they started to use another word to distinguish themselves.
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Hello Muslim! Is this yet another revisionism from you? By claiming recently Middle Eastern Christians have started to use another word, your expose yourself as a liar.

Middle Eastern Christians right from the 1st century C.E. up until the 21st century C.E. were never Arabs nor will they ever be Arabs. While these Christians are Arabic-speaking they do not worship in Arabic, language of Allah, the Moon Deity. Rather they worship in Coptic, Syriac, Armenian and Greek, the languages of the ancient Byzantine Empire. This is no different from Jewish people who for 2000 years worship in Hebrew rites.

Only Muslims are correctly Arabs for the 1.3 billion Muslims worldwide worship in Arabic rites chanting Allah Akbar. Here in Malaysia, the Malay-majority cannot speak nor understand Arabic, yet they worship in Arabic rites. This is known as chanting.

Middle Eastern Christians chant prayers in Coptic, Syriac, Armenian and Greek. This practise is no different from the pre-Vatican II Roman Catholic Church that used Latin as its liturgical language.

Just my 2 cents. Feel free to give me your reactions, whether positive or negative. What is your opinion on Middle Eastern Christians worshipping in Coptic, Syriac, Armenian and Greek? Do you feel we, Roman Catholics ought to worship in Latin too like the old pre-Vatican II days? As for me, I prefer English 😃
 
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murtad:
This is a common myth propagated by Islamists. The truth is there was, is, will never be such thing as “Arab Christian”, yes for 2000 years, right from the 1st century up until the 21st century.
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That goes against everything I have read on the subject. There were Arab Christians long before Muhammad. And no, I’m not talking about the Copts or the Syrians. I’m talking about Arabs–in Yemen, in the central parts of the Arabian peninsula where Islam arose, and in more northerly regions as well. There were numerous Arab tribes who were Christians, and others who were Jewish.
Syrian, Lebanonese and Iraqi Christians were always Assyrians who converted from paganism to the Christian faith. The Syriac Orthodox Church, Chaldean Catholic Church and Assyrian Church of the East have always used since the 1st century right up until the 21st century, Syriac as their liturgical language, not Arabic nor Kurdish.
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The Antiochian Orthodox, however, do use Arabic. I’ve heard them. I recognize that this is a relatively modern innovation. But it does happen.

Edwin
 
BTW, since I’m on this thread (which I’ve been avoiding), does anyone deny the OP? I certainly don’t deny that Muslims persecute Christians in a number of places around the world. It seems to me that cestus dei has built this entire thread around a nonissue. If there is someone so silly as to deny that Muslims persecute Christians, then let that person speak, and I’ll eat my words!

We need to show solidarity with our persecuted brothers and sisters–and right now Islam is the single largest persecutor of Christians (a situation I don’t expect to change any time soon). However, the way to do this is not by misrepresentation of Islam or by raking up every nasty thing we can possibly say about Islam. That’s an immature and un-Christian reaction.

Edwin
 
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