Copying Rented Videos

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Is it wrong to try to make a copy of a video you rented, even though you have no plans of selling the copy, but you just want to watch it more than once. Is it illegal to do this? Is it really any different than recording a show off the T.V.?

Would it still be a mortal sin if at the time you did it you didn’t fully realize that what you were doing might be considered theft?
 
It is wrong, as the copyright notices on commercial videos state clearly. There is a technical point allowing the owner of the tape to make a single copy as a backup, but the backup must remain in the posession of the owner of the original.

Most modern tapes have techonlogy that makes copying difficult unless you have specific machinery to compensate. Thus, its pretty much impossible to make a watchable copy and still claim one wasn’t aware of the copy restrictions.
 
the copy I made was not watchable, and I have since recorded over it.
 
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Ray_Scheel:
Most modern tapes have techonlogy that makes copying difficult unless you have specific machinery to compensate. Thus, its pretty much impossible to make a watchable copy and still claim one wasn’t aware of the copy restrictions.
Not saying it isn’t wrong, but copying a tape is cake with 2 VCRs. You run into problems with DVD’s though…

The only copied video I have was taped off HBO, of the original Gone In 60 Seconds movie. I would have bought it but it is out of print 😦

Eamon
 
How about all these new DVR machines the cable and satellite companies are promoting that allow you to record a show and watch it later? Some of these machines allow you to copy it to a DVD or video tape.
 
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Nick:
Is it wrong to try to make a copy of a video you rented, even though you have no plans of selling the copy, but you just want to watch it more than once. Is it illegal to do this?
Intent to sell (or lack thereof) is irrelevant. Yes, it is illegal. Period.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
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RichT:
How about all these new DVR machines the cable and satellite companies are promoting that allow you to record a show and watch it later? Some of these machines allow you to copy it to a DVD or video tape.
We have one, it is great. I don’t think that the television companies have anything against the taping of their shows for personal use. I’m sure it’s illegal to sell copies of the show, but recording them for personal use seems to be perfectly within the law (unless someone can point me to a law that says otherwise…plus, I can’t imagine TiVo and similar companies being able to continue producing their product if the service were illegal).

Eamon
 
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turboEDvo:
Not saying it isn’t wrong, but copying a tape is cake with 2 VCRs. You run into problems with DVD’s though…
If copying a tape that was itself recorded from cable broadcast or a personal camera, yes, copying is simple. I was referring more to trying to make a copy of a rented move of DVD - many (most?) of the commercially distrubed tapes (and DVDs) have anti-copying technology built in. The equipment required to circumvent it is pretty trivial to build or buy, but it is effective enough to stop the casual creation of bootleg copies.
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turboEDvo:
The only copied video I have was taped off HBO, of the original Gone In 60 Seconds movie. I would have bought it but it is out of print 😦
That’s an understandable sentiment, though with the plummeting prices of DVD production more and more titles are starting to become available. If the 1974 edition the one you are talking about? A Google search on “Gone In 60 Seconds movie” shows it in stock on Amazon on DVD (and for <$15 at that)…
 
turboEDvo said:
(unless someone can point me to a law that says otherwise…plus, I can’t imagine TiVo and similar companies being able to continue producing their product if the service were illegal).

I recall a court case (or set of cases) from the early days of the TiVo that came down echoing the “fair use” capability shared by VCRs - the courts have ruled that taping a show to watch later is legal so long as you only keep the copy around a “short” time and the recording is strictly for “personal” use.
 
Copying a rented video or DVD is illegal because you are not the owner. The owner may make a copy for personal use. (I’ve copied a couple of my favorite VHS tapes, to avoid wearing out the original.)

It is morally wrong because you are depriving the company from whom you rented it the income they would get if you rented it again - or the income they could expect from renting it to the friends with whom you watch the copy.

If you copy a rental to avoid buying your own copy, then you are stealing from every one who earns anything from it: the producer of the video, and the actors and other participants who get a percentage of sales.

Keep in mind that most actors/musicians/authors can’t command the big bucks for their recordings and/or performances. Royalties make a significant contribution to their income. I know - I’ve got all three in my family. All but one have “day jobs,” and the one exception is independantly wealthy through inheritance. He actually did earn a living at being an actor - but it was a modest living, in the “lower middle class” range.
 
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Ray_Scheel:
That’s an understandable sentiment, though with the plummeting prices of DVD production more and more titles are starting to become available. If the 1974 edition the one you are talking about? A Google search on “Gone In 60 Seconds movie” shows it in stock on Amazon on DVD (and for <$15 at that)…
Really??!?! I got this tape from a friend about 5 years ago when the new Gone In 60 Seconds came out. Hmm, maybe I’ll own legal copies of both now instead of just one.

Eamon
 
Our public library has quite a few videotapes and DVDs for rent, so at least we can rent them (for a week) without paying a fee. The only problem with this, is that once a tape we went back after a couple years later has been lost. Oh, well, I figured the chances it would have gotten lost if I’d owned it were probably greater, given my usual demonstrated lack of organizing prowess. :o

They have some new ones, but they have lots of classics. Last few weeks I have gotten Arsenic and Old Lace, Mutiny on the Bounty, and several other good ones to show my kids. I only showed the mutiny to some of the older ones; they were fascinated by the meanness depicted by Bligh (I wanted them to know the origin or the epithet “Captain Bligh”) and the issues of how people might act when caught between obeying the law and being abused by a tyrant.

There is not a real incentive for us to duplicate those tapes.

In the case of CDs and mp3 files, though, it is hard to feel too sorry for companies who charge 20 bucks for a product that anybody at home can reproduce with essentially perfect accuracy for 25 cents. Maybe I can feel a little sorry for them (despite my opinion they are overpriced), but it’s unrealistic these days given technology and attitudes in place, which they have not done much I can see to make adjustments other than try to sue more people even as technology makes it ever harder for them to be stopped.

I think the industry needs to figure out new ways to distribute and license their products, and illegal or not I don’t expect them to reap long term benefits from reverse class-action suits against file sharers. That keeps them in check somewhat, but even some services who are wising up and are delivering content for Immediate Gratification, charge something like a dollar per song. Great if you only want a few songs, but I think most people if they were going to pay that much they’d often rather have the “real” disc anyway.

Alan
 
I don’t think it is illegal to copy for personal use.I believe it’s illegal to rent and copy them for then renting,but for personal use I don’t think it is illegal.I tape movies and documentaries from satellite for my personal use,I don’t make money out of them.🙂
 
I imagine it’s illegal to watch the old (copied) videos after years of their being stored away, right? Only that’s what happened in my place earlier today. I tried to say subtley, “Let’s watch another video we got as a present instead” but we watched two movies copied from rented videos. They are years old but I don’t believe that is an excuse. We don’t make money from them but I do believe one of us should buy the DVDs to make up for it.

I’m quite scrupulous at times but I know that I should be striving to avoid venial sin too (assuming this is a venial sin, though I suspect it’s graver).

I could buy the DVDs to make up for the times we watched the copied videos but it’d take a while if I went about it in a leisurely way. Unfortunately that’s been my usual approach to reparation and of course things are put off indefinately.

(I hope the last two paragraphs aren’t too off topic. :o)
 
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