Corinthians 2:12

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1 I am boasting because I have to. Not that it does any good, but I will move on to visions and revelations from the Lord.
2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago – still in the body? I do not know; or out of the body? I do not know: God knows – was caught up right into the third heaven.

Can someone shed some light on what is meant by ‘the third heaven’

Is this a state we can be in while alive in the body a kind of a state of serenity? Is it just for a short period of time or can people live large amounts of their life in this state?

Thanks,
-EM
 
The great commentator Cornelius a Lapide says.

What is this heaven? 1. S. Basil (Hom. i. in Hexem.) infers from this that there is not merely one heaven, as Chrysostom thought, nor two, as Theophylact held, but at least three. Some add that there are three only, and that the third is the highest. But all the astronomers of olden times will dispute this, for they reckoned eight at least, as will moderns, who count at least eleven.
  1. S. Thomas says (ii. ii. qu. 175, art. 3, ad. 4): “By the third heaven may be understood any supernatural vision, and in three ways it may be called the third heaven. First, with relation to man’s cognitive powers. Then the first heaven will be any supernatural, corporal vision, seen by the bodily eye, such as that of the handwriting on the wall, described in Daniel v. The second heaven will be any vision presented to the imagination, such as that of Isaiah, and of S. John in the Apocalypse. The third heaven will be any intellectual vision, such as is explained by S. Augustine (super Gen. ad Litt. 12).
“Secondly, the distinction may be made according to the different orders of the objects of consciousness. Then the first heaven will be the knowledge of celestial bodies; the second, the knowledge of celestial spirits; the third, the knowledge of God Himself.

“Thirdly, the three heavens may be the different steps of the knowledge by which God is seen. The first will then belong to the angels of the lowest hierarchy; the second to the angels of the middle hierarchy; the third to the angels of the highest.” According to this test, S. Paul would have been caught up to the third and highest hierarchy of angels, and standing there with the seraphim, have seen most clearly the essence of God, and from thence have been enkindled with that burning fire of charity with which he afterwards set on fire the whole world.

But I should say that the third heaven is the highest, or the empyrean, where the Blessed dwell. Hence, in ver. 4, it is called Paradise. It is called the third by a Hebraism. The number three denotes completion, being the first number to which the word all may be applied. We do not speak of “all two,” but we may and do say “all three.” Hence the poet says: “Oh, thrice and four times blessed they,” &c., i.e., completely blessed. Again (in Amos i. 3) we read, “for three transgressions of Damascus,” meaning, for all. In ver. 8 of this chapter again, we have, “I besought the Lord thrice,” or, very often, till I could ask no more, until the answer came. “My grace is sufficient for thee.”
  1. It is simplest of all to say with S. Thomas, in the passage above quoted, that “the first heaven is the sidereal, the second the crystalline, the third the empyrean;” or, rather, that “the first is the aerial, the second the sidereal, the third the empyrean,” as Theophylact gives them. With him agree Julian Pomerius, and Damascene (de Fide, lib. ii. c. 6), and many others. “The air” in Scripture is commonly called “the heaven;” hence we get “the birds of heaven.” The air, therefore, is the first heaven, and is called the aerial one. All the heavenly orbs are the second heaven, or the etherial, and the third is the empyrean. Hence Cajetan is wrong in rejecting the empyrean, in which the Blessed dwell, and supposing that the third is the crystalline. In this latter are the waters which, in Gen. i. and elsewhere, are said to be above the firmament.
 
Fr. William Most says

The astronomy of the day would speak of three realms, first, the earth’s atmosphere, second, the region of the stars, third the place where God dwells. One Jewish tradition would speak of three heavens, another of seven. Paul clearly means he was taken to the highest.

When he says the words he heard were “unspeakable” he could mean either that he was forbidden to reveal what he heard or that there are no human words to express it. In normal speech, we depend on the fact that both the speaker and the listener share a common experience to which a word refers. But if the listener has nothing in common, the matter is unspeakable.

We do not know if Paul refers to a lofty experience of infused contemplation, or to a vision in the charismatic category. He probably means the latter. (We explained the two categories in comments on 1 Corinthians 12). Some think he had a glimpse of the Beatific Vision itself.
 
1 I am boasting because I have to. Not that it does any good, but I will move on to visions and revelations from the Lord.
2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago – still in the body? I do not know; or out of the body? I do not know: God knows – was caught up right into the third heaven.

Can someone shed some light on what is meant by ‘the third heaven’

Is this a state we can be in while alive in the body a kind of a state of serenity? Is it just for a short period of time or can people live large amounts of their life in this state?

Thanks,
-EM
As can be seen from the second post, St Thomas Aquinas believed that by the third heaven St Paul saw God in his essence, i.e., the beatific vision. This was an extraordinary grace. The beatific vision of God is heaven. It is not something given us in this life. Paul may be the only person who has ever had this grace. It is written, “But you cannot see my face, for no one can see me and live” ( Exodus 33:20). The mystical contemplation of God is the highest kind of knowledge and love of God one can obtain in this life. Even this is a very special grace and gift from God for we cannot obtain it by our own powers. It is also very, very far from seeing God in his essence, the beatific vision. Many saints have had some kind of mystical contemplation of God but it appears not to be very ordinary or common. Indeed, the mystical contemplation of God isn’t necessary for salvation or even sanctity.
 
1 I am boasting because I have to. Not that it does any good, but I will move on to visions and revelations from the Lord.
2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago – still in the body? I do not know; or out of the body? I do not know: God knows – was caught up right into the third heaven.

Can someone shed some light on what is meant by ‘the third heaven’

Is this a state we can be in while alive in the body a kind of a state of serenity? Is it just for a short period of time or can people live large amounts of their life in this state?

Thanks,
-EM
Saint Mary Magdalene DiPazzi lived in this state most of her life. She was said to be in vision for most of the day but still did her work, she was unaware of this life, even though she reportedly had conversations and did her sewing and so forth. I think a person who is very dedicated to prayer and contemplation also can achieve this sort of state, not where they lose consciousness of the world around them, but that the awareness of the Presence seems much more real.

As to 3rd Heaven, no one knows what he meant. But there’s no reason to believe the Other Side is three discreet states, but rather a continuum of existence further or closer to God. Paul described the indescribable in the best way he could conceive of it when back in his brain.
 
The idea of a third heaven came from mystic Judaism, and as others have commented, was understood as the place were God dwelt. In the intertestamental period, the idea was further elaborated to seven heavens. Thus, Paul is either ignoring the latter ideas or indicating that he is a failed mystic. His presentation of the pericope is typical rabbinical argument, refering to himself in the third person. This is somewhat curious, as there were very few Jews in Corinth and thus few in the Corinthian congregation. One might expect a Hellenic presentation.
 
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