Corporal Punishment

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*“He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.” *
  • Proverbs 13:24
When is physical punishment acceptable? Can parents spank their kids? Can governments cane vandals Singapore-style? When do you cross the line from “chastening” to torture? I think things like the thirty-nine scourgings of Our Lord were certainly unjustified - even upon one deserving of it. But inflicting simple physical pain, causing no bodily harm and within some kind of humane bounds - surely it’s not always wrong?
 
When I think corporeal punishment, I rarely think of anything worse than giving your kids a sharp swat on the behind.
 
I’m 14. When I was younger 10-, my dad, when I misbehaved used to whip me on my behind with his belt. After I turned 10, he stopped. Now I get serious talking to’s and groundings. I am grateful now for the whippings. I learned my lessons and I think it was the right punishment.
 
There is nothing wrong with corporal punishment, as long as it is done with the intention of correcting the child and not done in order to releash anger.

Our culture in the West regularly considers it wrong, as they constantly bleat on, ‘we need to protect our children’, but then they murder them before birth and if they survive the womb, they pervert them in the home through ‘liberal’ morals.
 
Proverbs is a book of wisdom sayings. It is NOT a child-rearing manual.
Furthermore, the “rod” does not refer to something used to strike a child. The Hebrew word means something closer to a symbol of authority. (Think: “Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me”).
So, the real meaning of the “rod” is that parents should take responsibiity for their children, & teach them, not allow them to run wild.

The whole question of corporal punishment is completely separate from the book of Proverbs.
HTH.
 
I’m 14. When I was younger 10-, my dad, when I misbehaved used to whip me on my behind with his belt. After I turned 10, he stopped. Now I get serious talking to’s and groundings. I am grateful now for the whippings. I learned my lessons and I think it was the right punishment.
My grandparents whipped my parents and then my parents whipped me…And I’m also grateful.

To be honest I wish they had jerked me up and striped my behind EVERY TIME I stepped out of line.

A good ole’ fashioned belting or switching does kids good IF you don’t take it to far.

As far as punishment for adult murders and rapist etc…I think Singapore’s got the right idea.
 
Proverbs is a book of wisdom sayings. It is NOT a child-rearing manual.
Furthermore, the “rod” does not refer to something used to strike a child. The Hebrew word means something closer to a symbol of authority. (Think: “Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me”).
So, the real meaning of the “rod” is that parents should take responsibiity for their children, & teach them, not allow them to run wild.

The whole question of corporal punishment is completely separate from the book of Proverbs.
HTH.
Yes. 👍

The rod is the sheep herding tool to guide. Shepherds don’t hit their little lambs and sheep with a rod. They guide them.

I was hit with a belt once by mistake by my Dad. (Long back story) I was about 4. I still rememebr that it hurt. What hurt more was the feeling of betrayal, “My Dad hurt me” He was crushed as well. Years later, (he died when I was 28) he would think of that time with remorse.

My Dad was a very large, Sicilian man with a very limited education. He was a manual laborer most of his life, he worked on a family farm in Italy and had lots of experience raising animals. He never hit a little lamb or sheep He had patience.

And he had lots of patience with children. But in no way was he a push-over. He was strict in a good way. Very loving and demonstrative. Not a hitter. And he was the parent i would obey the most. Because I could not stand to dissappoint such a man.

I wish and pray to be the type of parent he was.
 
*“He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.” *
  • Proverbs 13:24
When is physical punishment acceptable? Can parents spank their kids? Can governments cane vandals Singapore-style? When do you cross the line from “chastening” to torture? I think things like the thirty-nine scourgings of Our Lord were certainly unjustified - even upon one deserving of it. But inflicting simple physical pain, causing no bodily harm and within some kind of humane bounds - surely it’s not always wrong?
Reason and love must guide the ‘rod’.
 
There is a reasonable use of bodily punishment. There is also a sinful use.

But the reasonable use can actually be for the good of the child.
 
Withhold not correction from a child: for if thou strike him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and deliver his soul from hell.

Proverbs 23:13-14

‘He that spares the rod hates his son, but he who **loves him takes care to chastise **him.’

Proverbs 13:24

‘Happy indeed the man whom God corrects! So do not refuse this lesson from the Omnipotent: for He who wounds is He who soothes the sore, and the hand that hurts is the hand that heals.’

Job 5:17-18

‘Every age and understanding should have its proper discipline. Whenever, therefore, boys or immature youths or such as can not understand how grave a penalty excommunication is, are guilty of a serious fault, let them undergo severe fasting or be disciplined with corporal punishment, that they may be corrected.’

St. Benedict

'If a brother hath often been corrected and hath even been excommunicated for a fault and doth not amend, let a more severe correction be applied to him, namely, proceed against him with corporal punishment.

But if even then he doth not reform, or puffed up with pride, should perhaps, which God forbid, even defend his actions, then let the Abbot act like a prudent physician. After he hath applied soothing lotions, ointments of admonitions, medicaments of the Holy Scriptures, and if, as a last resource, he hath employed the caustic of excommunication and the blows of the lash, and seeth that even then his pains are of no avail, let him apply for that brother also what is more potent than all these measures: his own prayer and that of the brethren, that the Lord who is all-powerful may work a cure in that brother.

But if he is not healed even in this way, then finally let the Abbot dismiss him from the community, as the Apostle saith: “Put away the evil one from among you;” (1 Cor 5:13) and again: “If the faithless depart, let him depart;” (1 Cor 7:15) lest one diseased sheep infect the whole flock.’

St. Benedict

'It is true that highwaymen, grave-robbers, and sorcerers have their sides torn to pieces; it is also true that the martyrs undergo this same suffering. What is done is the same, but the purpose and reason why it is done is different. And so it is that there is a great difference between the criminals and martyrs.

In these cases we not only consider the torture but we first look for the intention and the reasons why the torture is inflicted. And this is why we love the martyrs - not because they are tortured but because they are tortured for the sake of Christ. But we turn our backs on the robbers - not because they are being punished but because they are being punished for their wickedness.

So, too, in the matter of fasting, you must pass a judgment. If you see people fasting for the sake of God, approve what they do; if you see that they do this against God’s will, turn your back on them and hate them more than you do those who drink, revel, and carouse. And in the case of this fasting we must inquire not only into the reason for fasting but we must consider also the place and the time.’

St. John Chrysostom

I’ve always admired the Singaporean system, and believe it would benefit the U.S. significantly.

May I note that the good thief accepted his punishment as just, and that the tortures of Hell and Purgatory are our examples of just punishment for sin.

If you raise your child to be unable to bear punishment and discipline and physical hardship you do that child no favors – and you do yourself many. You will pay the price for that in more ways than one, thinking being a parent is only about what is easy and not what is hard.

God help our poor children of today!
 
I’m sure some will chime in that corporal punishment is always wrong, as it frequently leads to injury, harms the psyche, etc.

I disagree, when it is used properly. And that’s not to say that there are kids out there who will behave/listen/etc. without it.

To some extent, methinks, it is necessary, and not a “necessary evil”. When a 3 year old doesn’t respond to “don’t put your hand near the stove…HOT…” and does not respond to time-outs, taking away privilages, etc. but does respond to a swat on the butt, there doesn’t seem to be any justification to the claim that corporal punishment is ***always ***wrong.

As has been said, it needs to be used sparingly and in love, never in anger, and proportunately.
 
Yes. 👍

The rod is the sheep herding tool to guide. Shepherds don’t hit their little lambs and sheep with a rod. They guide them. …
I have a ram. Sometimes you have to hit them when they challenge your authority, but not on the head because not only are they hard-headed, but they will just see that as normal fighting behavior.

And as to children, some need a swat on the behind or hand, and some respond better to other measures. They are really very different from each other, no one-size-fits-all there!
 
Yeah, I got a few swats with a pig lead as a kid. Some did me good, some, my dad was just having the grown up version of the temper tantrum. I’ll probably use a good swat on my kids once in a while, but growing up, a stern, dissapointed talk was what straightened me up fastern’ anything
 
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