TS:
I was thinking more along the lines of what it is about the angelic nature that makes it susceptible to the sin of Lucifer. Why would an angel, fully aware that it is a creature of God, determine to look to itself, knowing full well that once a determination is made (by an angel) it cannot be rescinded. As committed as you appear to be, you can change your mind at any time, whereas an angel cannot (per Catholic doctrine). What is it about such a “perfect” creature that would make it that susceptible? Perhaps the fact that it never had any communion with corporeality?
I am trying to envision that. There is no mention of angels in the period before the flood. To my knowledge there is no mention of them ministering to Noah either, when he was in need. I think that the angelic ministry, as a ministry, began later with the beginning of the history of the Jewish people. This would exclude the book of Enoch from a proclamation of “inspired.”
In another thread, I have been conversing with a poster who has outlined an extensive model of God, the universe, and His creatures. The thread is entitled, “Space?” (It’s worth a read.) In this theory, God creates at one level, the implicate level, and creation becomes physical at another level, the explicate level. God, as well, is seen as Infinite Continuous Space. Matter is seen as finite discrete space. The universe, which is an exigency within continuous space, consists of point particles. Point particles are seen, at the explicate level, as electrons and the fermions and bosons that make up protons and neutrons. All of these so-called “point particles” are dimensionless. When the Big Bang took place, these point particles began expanding until what exists now (at the explicate level) is a lattice of points (s-points), called s-gaps, that form what is called an s-frame, in this case, the cosmic s-frame. In between these points of the “s-frame,” within the s-gaps, is continuous space, e.i., God. And, that is how He remains contiguous with matter and space.
Matter is nothing more than configured s-points within the s-frame. Specific configurations of s-points are the determinants of specific species of matter. Angels and souls are “sparks,” again, so to speak, produced from God Himself, that either are free from s-point configurations, or embedded in them, one in each configured group of s-points.
Now, I am relating all of this to you, not to throw us off your desired intent, but to offer a possible mechanism whereby angels (non-composites) and human souls (composites) may have existence together, within the level of God’s Reality.
To get back to Lucifer’s fall from grace, is it possible, do you think, that Lucifer, seeing God’s Creation, s-points, s-gaps, cosmic s-frame, configuration algorithms, how God causes motion (at the explicate level, which is simply God advancing s-gaps within the s-frame in small jumps), that he was so amazed that He withdrew himself from analyzing it? We know that smart people exist and that dumb people exist. Is it possible that Lucifer was a dumb angel? By this I mean, not “dumb” by our standards, but in terms of angelic standards. Otherwise, the impetus for his stupid decision is hard to fathom.
Terrific! I’ll look forward to it.
God bless,
jd
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