Correct words of consecration

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At the Mass I attended Sunday, I was surprised to hear the Priest add additional words when he elevated the host and the wine. I recall, he said, “AND JESUS SAID, this is My Body.” I understood that at the consecration of the Mass the priest is “in persona Christi.” and that is why the priest says, This is My Body. This is My Blood. Does changing any of the words of the consecration invalidate the eucharist?
 
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Maulu:
At the Mass I attended Sunday, I was surprised to hear the Priest add additional words when he elevated the host and the wine. I recall, he said, “AND JESUS SAID, this is My Body.” I understood that at the consecration of the Mass the priest is “in persona Christi.” and that is why the priest says, This is My Body. This is My Blood. Does changing any of the words of the consecration invalidate the eucharist?
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I’m not sure what was said and when it was said. Since the words of Consecration are pronounced BEFORE the elevation. Nothing is said at the elevation? Unless I’m not thinking correctly.
 
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I’m not sure what was said and when it was said. Since the words of Consecration are pronounced BEFORE the elevation. Nothing is said at the elevation? Unless I’m not thinking correctly.
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You’re right, nothing is said at the moment of elevation before the profession of faith.

About 10 years or so ago I used to attend Mass where the celebrant would look directly at the host & speak to it as if he was speaking to a person ( I believe in the true pressence, but come on) & worse was that he would kiss the host & allow other in the congregation to do so. It was pretty bad.
 
At the Mass I attended Sunday, I was surprised to hear the Priest add additional words when he elevated the host and the wine. I recall, he said, “AND JESUS SAID, this is My Body.”
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The words required by the Church for the VALID consecration of the bread and wine are “this is my body” and “this is my blood”.
If the priest adds or subtracts from any part of the prescribed text of the Mass - then, he has committed a liturgical abuse.
  1. He should be gently approached and informed of what is expected of him by the Church.
  2. If he fobs you off and repeats the abuse, you should take a couple of witnesses and again inform him of what should be done.
  3. If he repeats the offence - inform the bishop in writing.
  4. If the bishop does not act - write to the Pope.
  5. It is important to keep accurate documentation.
 
Maulu,

You may as well receive a Novus Ordo COOKIE. It might be good with some MILK but it probably WAS NOT Christ. That is the biggest problem with the Novus Ordo today is that your not sure if your mass legitimate. I would suggest that you LEAVE that Church and find a good Catholic Priest ASAP.

I am not an expert on the Liturgy but I do know that the priest must have the intent to change the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ. If the intent is not there then the Mass is not valid. Also, the Bread has to be wheat and water not honey and sugar as some Churches have. There a whole host of things that can make a Mass invalid.

Drive a little farther and find another Catholic Church. Unfortunately, just like in every faith you have good Priest (Pastors) and bad Priest (Pastors). Regardless of the time period you would have lived in, this would be true. If you lived in 104 A.D. and 2004 A.D. you would still find bad Priest. Priests are human and thus sinful.

BTW, if you can’t find a good Roman Catholic Church you like, you do know that you can attend ANY Eastern Catholic Church. You may receive ALL of the sacraments in those Churches. Perhaps one of those Churches might interest you: crosslink.net/~hrycak/ch_indx-s.html

Or you might like to go to an indult Traditional Latin Mass:
web2.airmail.net/~carlsch/MaterDei/churches.htm

If you can’t find an indult TLM or an Easter Rite Catholic Church then go to a SSPX TLM. In this case your conscience can be 100% free since you know that you can’t find a legitimate Mass near your home town.
 
Dj Roy Albert:
You’re right, nothing is said at the moment of elevation before the profession of faith.

About 10 years or so ago I used to attend Mass where the celebrant would look directly at the host & speak to it as if he was speaking to a person ( I believe in the true pressence, but come on) & worse was that he would kiss the host & allow other in the congregation to do so. It was pretty bad.
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Tge priest does speak to the Host at the TLM but he doesnot kiss it and doesn’t give it out to others to kiss.
 
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Maulu:
At the Mass I attended Sunday, I was surprised to hear the Priest add additional words when he elevated the host and the wine. I recall, he said, “AND JESUS SAID, this is My Body.” I understood that at the consecration of the Mass the priest is “in persona Christi.” and that is why the priest says, This is My Body. This is My Blood. Does changing any of the words of the consecration invalidate the eucharist?
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er… no it doesn’t
Still a good question though:)
Podo
 
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Podo2004:
er… no it doesn’t
Still a good question though:)
Podo
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Leo XIII taken from the irreformable Encyclical* Apostolicae Curae: *
“The Church is forbidden to change, or even touch, the matter or form of any Sacrament. She may (no individual clergy) indeed change or abolish or introduce something in the non-essential rites or “ceremonial” parts to be used in the administration of the Sacraments, such as the processions, prayers or hymns before or after the actual words of the form are recited…”
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Along the same lines, can anyone really explain why (or if) the words “for you and for many” were mis-translated to “for you and for all”?

A Priest on another board ( at least he claimed he was a Priest) explained that the latin “multis” could mean “many” or it could mean a more generic “the multitude”. Now I am not a linguist, but doesn’t the latin word “omnibus” precicely mean “all”.

If so, when the words were originally promulgated, wouldn’t the authors have used “omnibus” if they wanted it to mean “all”.
 
Many thanks to those who replied to my post. Much appreciated. I’m sure at some time in the future, I will go back to this church to see if the priest was just having an “off” day or if this is going to be ongoing at the consecration. If so, I do plan on finding another CATHOLIC church. Again, thanks for your comments.
 
Munda cor meum:
Along the same lines, can anyone really explain why (or if) the words “for you and for many” were mis-translated to “for you and for all”?

A Priest on another board ( at least he claimed he was a Priest) explained that the latin “multis” could mean “many” or it could mean a more generic “the multitude”. Now I am not a linguist, but doesn’t the latin word “omnibus” precicely mean “all”.

If so, when the words were originally promulgated, wouldn’t the authors have used “omnibus” if they wanted it to mean “all”.
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See Post #4 on Thread
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=341734#post341734
 
The correct words are… I think.

On the night he was betrayed, he took the bread, giving it thanks and praise. He lifted the bread to heaven and said take this all of you and eat it. This is my body which has been given up for you… so that your sins may be forgiven.

I tried to recal it from memory as best as possible but if I looked it up. It would probably change from time to time because it is in English and Not a Dead Langauge like Latin. SO the vernacular will change.

A person could vould use the conjunction and Jesus said as if telling the person from Jesus eyes. Do this in memory of me. But he is not taking the place of Jesus I guess. Hes just telling a story.

Am I to assume the priest should take the place of Jesus or tell the story of Jesus Last supper?

The adjective HE would be taking the place of and Jesus said, which is a conjunction.

Oooh I might add there may have been honey at the last super. Jesus said, I will dip my bread into his sauce. SO there was some kind of butter or honey sauce at the last supper.
 
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