Correcting our Sisters and Brothers

[James248]

You seem to overlook the fact that Ezekiel was called by God to correct Israel. When did he call you to that ministry? I don’t ask this snarkily, but in all earnestness. We cannot take Bible passages out of context and decide what they mean in matters of faith and morals. That is the responsibility and the authority of our bishops, not you or I. Again, you need to talk to your priest about this instead of deciding you are supposed to correct the sins of all and sundry.

Whenever there is someone who practices injustice, you have an obligation to speak out. Silence is consent.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Whenever there is someone who practices injustice, you have an obligation to speak out. Silence is consent.

Speak out against the injustice, but that’s a far cry from what the OP is presenting.

It’s correcting individuals in a person’s life, i.e. family members and friends.

Speaking out against what the US government is doing that is unjust, we must do.

Telling cousin Larry that he’s committing mortal sin by not going to church on Sunday is another issue.

Jim

 

[Della]

You are taking the specific example I presented in my post way out on a limb Della - I presented a specific situation and nothing like what your remark speaks of. I do not just go around pointing out what I may think a person’s sins are - I have no right to do that for sure - I am talking about someone committing a sin by a remark or action in your presence.

What would you do if you saw someone stealing?

What would you do if someone started cursing in a conversation you were a part of?

If I saw someone stealing, I’d alert the store manager, or, if it were a serious offense, I’d dial 9-1-1 because it’s a policeman’s job to stop thieves. And if someone curses in my presence, it would depend. Is it simple vulgarity, or is it more serious than that? If it’s true swearing I’d disengage myself from that conversation and show by my example that I don’t approve, but again, it’s not my business to tell people they are sinning. Remember what Jesus said about the speck in your brother’s eye and the beam in your own? This is the kind of thing he was talking about.

You are not the sin correction police. It’s not your job to correct others over whom you have no authority. You asked what you should do, didn’t you? Did you want us to answer or did you just want people to agree with you? You must know something is wrong with your approach or you wouldn’t have asked the question.

I have nothing further to say, except to once again, and for the last time, urge you to talk to your priest or spiritual director about this.

 

[James248]

Speak out against the injustice, but that’s a far cry from what the OP is presenting.

It’s correcting individuals in a person’s life, i.e. family members and friends.

Speaking out against what the US government is doing that is unjust, we must do.

**Telling cousin Larry that he’s committing mortal sin by not going to church on Sunday is another issue.
**
Jim

So if a person willfully sins who is close to us we should let him sin. Right.

 

[oppositeman]

If I saw someone stealing, I’d alert the store manager, or, if it were a serious offense, I’d dial 9-1-1 because it’s a policeman’s job to stop thieves. And if someone curses in my presence, it would depend. Is it simple vulgarity, or is it more serious than that? If it’s true swearing I’d disengage myself from that conversation and show by my example that I don’t approve, but again, it’s not my business to tell people they are sinning. Remember what Jesus said about the speck in your brother’s eye and the beam in your own? This is the kind of thing he was talking about.

You are not the sin correction police. It’s not your job to correct others over whom you have no authority. You asked what you should do, didn’t you? Did you want us to answer or did you just want people to agree with you? You must know something is wrong with your approach or you wouldn’t have asked the question.

I have nothing further to say, except to once again, and for the last time, urge you to talk to your priest or spiritual director about this.

I phoned the Franciscan church and ministry here in Chicago, where I attend daily mass, and spoke with 2 priests - both of whom said that we are called to correct our brothers and sisters, gently, with love, and for the right reasons.

 

[oppositeman]

Speak out against the injustice, but that’s a far cry from what the OP is presenting.

It’s correcting individuals in a person’s life, i.e. family members and friends.

Speaking out against what the US government is doing that is unjust, we must do.

Telling cousin Larry that he’s committing mortal sin by not going to church on Sunday is another issue.

Jim

I phoned the Franciscan church and ministry here in Chicago, where I attend daily mass, and spoke with 2 priests - both of whom said that we are called to correct our brothers and sisters, gently, with love, and for the right reasons.

 

[PelagiathePenit]

I phoned the Franciscan church and ministry here in Chicago, where I attend daily mass, and spoke with 2 priests - both of whom said that we are called to correct our brothers and sisters, gently, with love, and for the right reasons.

There is your reasoning and the end of this debate

 

[JimR-OCDS]

So if a person willfully sins who is close to us we should let him sin. Right.

Willfully with full knowledge is required.

Most who don’t accept that it’s a mortal sin for not going to Mass on Sunday, do not have full knowledge.

Just telling them that not going to Mass on Sunday is a mortal sin, does not give them “full knowledge.”

If anything, coming at them with this attitude creates a mental block preventing them from understanding must more than you’re a “in your face” religious fanatic.

Jim

 

[Mummsie]

Willfully with full knowledge is required.

Most who don’t accept that it’s a mortal sin for not going to Mass on Sunday, do not have full knowledge.

Just telling them that not going to Mass on Sunday is a mortal sin, does not give them “full knowledge.”

If anything, coming at them with this attitude creates a mental block preventing them from understanding must more than you’re a “in your face” religious fanatic.

Jim

Just curious, beyond it’s a mortal sin, what other knowledge is needed to be full knowledge?

 

[Rosebud77]

Need to define “Sisters and brothers” please

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Just curious, beyond it’s a mortal sin, what other knowledge is needed to be full knowledge?

Full knowledge requires all aspects of understanding that it’s a grave offense against God.

Just being told, doesn’t necessarily fit the bill.

Jim

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Need to define “Sisters and brothers” please

All human beings are children of God, therefore, sisters and brothers.

Jim