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Hello and Greetings my CAF Family and friends. I have a question that will help me learn if I was dreaming when this subject came into my thoughts. I feel like I may be right but am unsure. In the Bible does it tell about two other people besides Jesus that was crucified. Is this true so far? I was told Jeremiah was one and Saint Paul was the other but he was hung upside down as if he felt that he wasn’t worthy of being hung on a cross and didn’t want to take Jesus glory away from Him. Am I going Cuckoo or is this really correct? Thank you for your (name removed by moderator)ut, I’m anxious to read the feedback. Thank you, Gigglin or Georgia.
 
All you need to do is read the Crucifixion accounts in the Gospels.
 
That still doesn’t answer my question. I know the Crucifixion of Jesus of the only one that counts. I’m wanting to know is if I am correct in saying both Jeremiah and St Paul were crucified as well.
 
St Peter was crucified upside-down. There are many accounts of crucifixion, both Scriptural as well as extra-biblical. There were two other people crucified along with Christ. This is not a huge signifigance to this on its own; crucifixion was a common and well documented practice of the Roman Empire. It is one of the tools they used to keep non-citizens under control to prevent them from instigating a revolution against Rome.
 
Gigglin4God, agnes therese was pointing out that if you read the Gospel accounts of Jesus’ crucifixion, you will see that he was crucified between the Good Thief and Barabbas, the murderer. But I believe Therese’s answer arose from a misunderstanding, to which I too was prey. You said, ‘besides’, not ‘beside.’ The ‘pluralising’ of a few words normally in the singular, is, I believe, common in the southern states, and that might have contributed to the confusion.

St Paul was beheaded in Rome. But as for Jeremiah, I don’t know if he was executed, but if he was, and I am not mistaken, right up to Jesus’ day, the only method of execution allowed under the Mosaic Law was by stoning.

However, I did hear some Jewish scripture scholars on TV, claiming that King David had relatives of the deceased Saul crucified. I very much hope it is untrue, and am puzzled as to what their sources were.

Yes, I believe Peter was crucified upside down, at his own request. I recently read that the legend that the St Andrew’s cross is named after the kind of cross he was crucified on, has not been historically verified, the legend appearing some centuries later. Still who knows? Maybe it is true.
 
Jeremiah was a prophet who lived when Judah was taken into captivity into Babylon (he was very likely a witness of the destruction of Solomon’s Temple). Crucifixion had not been around at that time (as far as I have been able to trace it).

Crucifixion was not a Jewish method of execution. King David did turn over some of Saul’s relatives to be hung because King Saul had broken a covenant with the Gibeonites (see 2 Sam 21). They were not crucified (yes, TV can be wrong).

Paul was beheaded (one advantage of being a Roman citizen), and tradition tells us that Peter was crucified upside down near Rome. Barabbas was released when Jesus was condemned. Jesus was crucified between 2 others, and they are described as thieves. One repented and was promised that he would be with Jesus in Heaven that very day. The other did not repent. Scripture does not give their names (I’m not aware of the ECF’s giving names for them either).

Hope this helps!
Pax!
 
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Gigglin4God, agnes therese was pointing out that if you read the Gospel accounts of Jesus’ crucifixion, you will see that he was crucified between the Good Thief and Barabbas, the murderer.
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Correction: Barabbas was not Crucified beside Jesus. He was set free by Pilate in place of Jesus.
St Paul was beheaded in Rome.
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Yes, I believe Peter was crucified upside down, at his own request. I recently read that the legend that the St Andrew’s cross is named after the kind of cross he was crucified on, has not been historically verified, the legend appearing some centuries later. Still who knows? Maybe it is true.
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This is correct regarding Peter and Paul.

Peace
James
 
St. Paul was beheaded, since he was a Roman Citizen and crucifixion was considered to be too brutal and humiliating for citizens of the Empire.

Crucifixion was for slaves, criminals and non-citizens.
 
I could have sworn that when I took my RCIA.class that the Deacon who sss teaching the class said that Jeremiah was one of the ones who was Crouched as well. It was either the Deacon in my RCIA class or on a study group that I took that was a Bible study group. Looks like I need to go digging to see if I still have that book and find out for sure. It was an Old Testament dude. I just know it.sorry,I get confused with Peter and Paul. Now I know it was St.Peter who was crucified upside down. I just gotta find that Bible study book where it said about Jeremiah being crucified as well.
If I am wrong, please forgive me me.
 
This isn’t just in Jesus’Time. It was in Jeremiah’s time…If I can find my Bible study book, you bet I will be posting the results in what I find and the Bible verses to match. I’ll have to dig in some boxes but I know I’ll find it.
 
(From the entry for “Jeremiah” in the Catholic Encyclopedia)
…At a later date, he was dragged to Egypt by emigrating Jews (xi-xliv).** According to a tradition first mentioned by Tertullian (Scorpiace 8), Jeremias was stoned to death in Egypt by his own countrymen on account of his discourses threatening the coming punishment of God (cf. Hebrews 11:37),** thus crowning with martyrdom a life of steadily increasing trials and sorrows. …
newadvent.org/cathen/08334a.htm

(Here’s the line from Tertullian’s Scorpiace, Chapter 8, that’s mentioned in the above Encyclopedia article. BTW, Tertullian was born around 160 AD.)
Beginning with kindred blood, in order that it might the more easily go in quest of that of strangers, ungodliness made the object of its pursuit, finally, that not only of righteous persons, but even of prophets also. David is persecuted; Elias put to flight; Jeremias stoned;
newadvent.org/fathers/0318.htm
 
Gigglin4God said:
This isn’t just in Jesus’Time. It was in Jeremiah’s time…If I can find my Bible study book, you bet I will be posting the results in what I find and the Bible verses to match. I’ll have to dig in some boxes but I know I’ll find it.
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Although there are traditions about Jeremiah’s death, there’s not direct record of how he died. And none of the later traditions that I know of involve crucifixion or anything similar to it (e.g., 2Sam. 21, where Saul’s relatives are impaled on some sort of sticks or branches or poles.)

Matthew 27:9 states: “Then was fulfilled what had been spoken through the prophet Jeremiah, “And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of the one on whom a price had been set, on whom some of the people of Israel had set a price…” Perhaps this is what you are thinking of? (The prophecy is actually found in Zachariah 11:12-13, not Jeremiah, by the way).

The only other connection between crucifixion and the prophets that I know of involves Ezekiel 9:4 “Go through the city, through Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of those who sigh and groan over all the abominations that are committed in it.” In Freemasonry, there is a tradition that this mark on the forehead referred to by Ezekiel is the final letter of the Hebrew alphabet, or tav, which I believe may be rooted in some translation problems of this verse in the Vulgate–someone else may know or I could research it further. In Paleohebrew, this letter is the equivalent to “X” which Freemasons in turn connect to the cross and crucifixion.

In the Talmud, the “X” is connected to the mark of Cain.

Those are the only connections that I know of–and they are all stretches.
 
Giggling. Jeremiah lived hundreds of years before the time of Jesus, and so could not possibly have been crucified with Him. Paul lived at the time of Jesus, but we know that he lives for many decades after Jesus’ death helping spread the message of Christianity and writing much of the New Testament. He also could not possibly have been crucified alongside Christ and survived to do all this.

Carefully read the Gospel accounts of the Crucifixion - two thieves were crucified alongside Jesus, neither is named. We know that both died on the same day as Jesus. Nowhere in scripture is either Paul or Jeremiah ever accused of being a thief, let alone shown as being crucified for it.

Conclusion: whatever you think you might have been told, there is simply no possibility that Jeremiah was crucified. As you know, St Peter was, so was St Andrew. All the stories of St Paul’s death indicate that he was killed by the sword.

There is absolutely no possibility that Jeremiah or any other OT prophet was crucified either. As has been pointed out, crucifixion was invented and exclusively used by the Romans. They had not taken over Israel/Judea or any other area where the OT prophets lives and taught in OT times. So it is impossible.
 
Henceforth let no man trouble me; for I bear on my body the marks of Jesus. (Galatians 6:17)

The notion that Paul was crucified might have come from the above verse but “the marks” he refers to are probably the scars he had from the lashings, beatings and stoning for the faith he had survived. (See 2 Corinthians 11:24-25)

Truly, truly, I say to you, when you were young, you girded yourself and walked where you would; but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands, and another will gird you and carry you where you do not wish to go." (This he said to show by what death he was to glorify God.) (John 21:18-19)

The above verse suggests that Peter was crucified when it says “you will stretch out your hands.”

There is a depiction of Peter crucified upside down at the end of the award-winning 1951 movie Quo Vadis.
 
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