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Asuno
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Hey, while we’re on the subject, what is the Church’s official positon on illegal immigration? Or does it have one?
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neuro_nurse
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Oops, my bad again - I should not have used the term ‘reliable.’ The correct term is ‘valid.’
This study appears to me to be devoid of validity.
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Ender
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I really don’t care if it is economically harmful or beneficial for illegals to be here. For me this is not an economic issue; the argument pretty much ends at the “illegal” part.
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Asuno
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HEY, HEY, HEY!!!Hey, while we’re on the subject, what is the Church’s official positon on illegal immigration? Or does it have one?
(Just like a little kid trying to get attention, I am!)
What about it? Does anyone know?
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Dale_M
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If you start a new thread (this one is old and on a different topic) I will put some time in to research it.
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skatepixie
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And there is a greater potential cost to us from our porous borders than just the money we spend on services…the fact is, anyone can make it across the border. This includes terrorists.
I think that the lack of outcry for protected borders is a sign that most Americans don’t “get” 9-11 and what it did.
I think that the lack of outcry for protected borders is a sign that most Americans don’t “get” 9-11 and what it did.
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Texas_Roofer
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*It must be remembered that, for the most part, illegal households using programs like free school lunch or Medicaid are receiving these benefits on behalf of U.S.-born children, who under current law are awarded citizenship at birth.
This, coupled with the fact that only a little over half of illegals make payroll contributions, is the reason their payments are very low relative to other taxpayers. For taxes other than income tax, the difference between illegal households and all others is not quite as large.*-cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalfindings.html#Balance
It is interesting to look at all these reports for example we see above the author appeared to suffer in pain trying to explain why they intentually charge bills from US citizens to the category of illegal households. Second it is easy to see the method used can produce any number we wish it to produce either positive or negative. For example look at table 1 and all the opportunities to quote positive finding, so how many positive findings do you see quoted?
This, coupled with the fact that only a little over half of illegals make payroll contributions, is the reason their payments are very low relative to other taxpayers. For taxes other than income tax, the difference between illegal households and all others is not quite as large.*-cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalfindings.html#Balance
It is interesting to look at all these reports for example we see above the author appeared to suffer in pain trying to explain why they intentually charge bills from US citizens to the category of illegal households. Second it is easy to see the method used can produce any number we wish it to produce either positive or negative. For example look at table 1 and all the opportunities to quote positive finding, so how many positive findings do you see quoted?
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Asuno
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Look, you all seem determined to ignore my question, so I’m just going to say one last thing here, and then leave you to argue the point amongst yourselves.
The real point here isn’t the fact that illegal immigration harms everyone (including the illegals themselves): it’s true, but it isn’t the point. The point, in this forum, is this: is it moral for us, as a nation, to turn anyone away? The answer, it seems to me, is yes. It’s moral not because the people are immigrants, but because they’re illegal. There’s the rub. I happen to know quite a few immigrants from around the world–Brazil, China and India–and they are all outstanding citizens, asylees and refugees. And they’re LEGAL. They paid their fees, they went through the immigration process. And I can tell you this: none of them are happy about illegal immigration. They’ve told me so. So even they think it’s wrong. It’s wrong because it’s illegal. Period. Now if they say it’s wrong, don’t you think it’s time we all started paying attention to the problem?
And the problem is: it must stop. No one wants to do what is necessary, but it must be done.
I’m not an economic analyst. I’m not a cultural analyst. I don’t know for sure if I’m even saying those things right. But I do know a lot of experts say this country is in a lot of trouble, and it’s only going to get worse if we don’t do something now.
And as some in this forum have pointed out, there’s a lot of people out there who just don’t get it. We have terrorists coming in over our unsecured borders. Are there really those out there among you who think this won’t bite us in our collective behinds? I’ve got news for you; it probably already has. It may already be too late, but it’s not too late to keep it from getting worse, if only something is done, now. Not later. Not sooner. Now.
Now I’m going to try the apologists with my question. They may know the answer.
The real point here isn’t the fact that illegal immigration harms everyone (including the illegals themselves): it’s true, but it isn’t the point. The point, in this forum, is this: is it moral for us, as a nation, to turn anyone away? The answer, it seems to me, is yes. It’s moral not because the people are immigrants, but because they’re illegal. There’s the rub. I happen to know quite a few immigrants from around the world–Brazil, China and India–and they are all outstanding citizens, asylees and refugees. And they’re LEGAL. They paid their fees, they went through the immigration process. And I can tell you this: none of them are happy about illegal immigration. They’ve told me so. So even they think it’s wrong. It’s wrong because it’s illegal. Period. Now if they say it’s wrong, don’t you think it’s time we all started paying attention to the problem?
And the problem is: it must stop. No one wants to do what is necessary, but it must be done.
I’m not an economic analyst. I’m not a cultural analyst. I don’t know for sure if I’m even saying those things right. But I do know a lot of experts say this country is in a lot of trouble, and it’s only going to get worse if we don’t do something now.
And as some in this forum have pointed out, there’s a lot of people out there who just don’t get it. We have terrorists coming in over our unsecured borders. Are there really those out there among you who think this won’t bite us in our collective behinds? I’ve got news for you; it probably already has. It may already be too late, but it’s not too late to keep it from getting worse, if only something is done, now. Not later. Not sooner. Now.
Now I’m going to try the apologists with my question. They may know the answer.
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Galandriel
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I do not promote “open borders” or illegal immigration. This must be done responsibly and I don’t think a quick deportation and breaking up good hard working families is the solution either.
Personally, I agree with the Church’s views on this. I think it’s the best way to deal with it. And the terrorists paid their dues and applied for visas to gain entry into this country. Building a wall isn’t the answer. If I stereotyped all immigrants as stated previously, no wonder people want a wall.
I hope and pray there can be a resolution soon, everyone wants this resolved in the best way, the legal way, no doubt about that.
Personally, I agree with the Church’s views on this. I think it’s the best way to deal with it. And the terrorists paid their dues and applied for visas to gain entry into this country. Building a wall isn’t the answer. If I stereotyped all immigrants as stated previously, no wonder people want a wall.
I hope and pray there can be a resolution soon, everyone wants this resolved in the best way, the legal way, no doubt about that.
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