Costco Fires Catholic Who Denied Knights of Columbus Hall for Lesbian "Marriage"

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soulspeak23:
Guess what? Gay people exist. Lots of them. They have always existed and they will always exist. They’re not goint to go away. They will only fight you that much harder.
Maybe so, but a private franternal organization does not HAVE to rent their facility to ANYONE if they so chose. Besides why would someone who is gay even think to rent a facility from a Catholic affiliated organization? Wasn’t the local fire hall available? How about the Masonic lodge? VFW? Here is a novel idea…how about renting a BANQUET HALL in a HOTEL? I would suspect that there was some other agenda here.

BTW SS: Just beacuse we disagree with someone’s morals and do not approve of their lifestyle or morality does not mean we “hate” them. and exactly who is doing the fighting here? Wasn’t it the lesiban couple who filed suit?
 
BTW SS: Just beacuse we disagree with someone’s morals and do not approve of their lifestyle or morality does not mean we “hate” them. and exactly who is doing the fighting here? Wasn’t it the lesiban couple who filed suit?
I thought that the problem was not so much with their beliefs, but rather with the way in which the booking was just cancelled, this seems abit of an unreasonable thing to do, it would have been far more adult to just discuss the situation and form a solution from there.
 
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Libero:
I thought that the problem was not so much with their beliefs, but rather with the way in which the booking was just cancelled, this seems abit of an unreasonable thing to do, it would have been far more adult to just discuss the situation and form a solution from there.
Yet, another point. Cancelling is hardly immature, abrupt or not. Asking someone to particpate in an act that is immoral is wrong and should never be tolerated. That the civil authorities allow this nonsense is a large part of the problem.
 
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soulspeak23:
So what do you propose in lieu of tolerance? Go out and kill all the gay people so they won’t offend you with their pesky existence anymore?
Did you really draw this conclusion, or is it an attempt to silence those who disagree with immoral behavior?
 
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soulspeak23:
So what do you propose in lieu of tolerance?
Not at all. Shower them with love and good teaching. But certainly not embrace and champion their deviance. And this is true for any group that promotes deviant or immoral behavior.
 
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GoodKnight1443:
Maybe so, but a private franternal organization does not HAVE to rent their facility to ANYONE if they so chose. Besides why would someone who is gay even think to rent a facility from a Catholic affiliated organization? Wasn’t the local fire hall available? How about the Masonic lodge? VFW? Here is a novel idea…how about renting a BANQUET HALL in a HOTEL? I would suspect that there was some other agenda here.

BTW SS: Just beacuse we disagree with someone’s morals and do not approve of their lifestyle or morality does not mean we “hate” them. and exactly who is doing the fighting here? Wasn’t it the lesiban couple who filed suit?
Yeah, I wouldn’t feel comfortable having my wedding in the Gay Palace Hotel. So why would gays want to have a wedding in Church or a reception in the K of C?
 
The point is that the Costco manager had no business interfering in affairs outside Costco. The rental of the hall did not fall under the purvey of Costco, let along under the purvey of the manager. Therefore the Knight was wrongfully dismissed. Period.

The matter has been referred to the Catholic Civil Rights League.

I also suggest writing to Costco and informing them that you will not be shopping there until the Knight is reinstated.
To express concerns to Costco:

General Customer Service: 800-463-3783

E-mail address: service@costco.ca

Costco Canada Corporate Office
Mailing address: 415 West Hunt Club Road Ottawa, ON K2E 1C5
[costco.ca/en-CA/CustomerService/EmailUs…](http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/dec/<a%20href=http://www.costco.ca/en-CA/CustomerService/EmailUs.aspx?secure=1>http://www.costco.ca/en-CA/CustomerService/EmailUs…)
 
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Libero:
But anyway, cancelling a booking, how childish is that, did they never think to speak to the people, and as if it is going to make a difference anyway, it has just made the Knights of Columbus look a bit silly.
The article states that : “The Knights could have taken steps such as meeting with the complainants to explain the situation, formally apologizing, immediately offering to reimburse the complainants for any expenses they had incurred and, perhaps, offering assistance in finding another solution,” the tribunal’s written decision stated.

Besdies these women claimed they had no idea what the KofC was/is. I suppose having the building NEXT to a Catholic Church and school, with a huge Crucifix on the wall and pictures of the Pope weren’t a hint? Duh.

read on:
The Knights, faithful to church teaching against homosexual marriage, cancelled the rental contract that had been signed, returned the couple’s deposit and paid for the rental of a new hall and the reprinting of wedding invitations. That still didn’t satisfy the two lesbians who went to the Human Rights Commission.
The Knight’s lawyer, George Macintosh, told the CP that it is untrue that the Knights did not try to accommodate the women. “The complainants located another hall the next morning, so that was taken care of,” he said. “The Knights, when they found out about the misunderstanding, apologized to the complainants for the misunderstanding and offered to refund the hall rental. The communication just broke down when the Knights asked for a release to be signed before refunding the hall rental and the cost of printing the invitations, and that led to the hearing.”
 
Anyways, there are two different issues here.

Issue #1
Was the Canadian tribunal correct in punishing the KofC for cancelling the use of the hall by a lesbian couple.

I argue no, they were not correct because they were forcing the KofC to go against their beliefs, and the lesbians can find another hall.

Issue #2
How in the world did Costco get involved in this? This is a legal matter of one of their employees that is entirely seperate from their work for Costco.

To this issue, we don’t know if the employee was improperly conducting themselves at work related to this lawsuit. Were they saying inflammatory things in the breakroom? Were they warned repeatedly not to discuss this matter at work? We need more details, which Costco is probably not legally allowed to provide due to confidentiality.
 
Yet, another point. Cancelling is hardly immature, abrupt or not. Asking someone to particpate in an act that is immoral is wrong and should never be tolerated. That the civil authorities allow this nonsense is a large part of the problem.
That is a matter of opinion, if you had placed an order for a venue, and then it is abruptly cancelled without even the decency for an apology, then it is immature, as Christians, we should appreciate the need to try and carry out our tasks in the nicest possible manner.

That Civil Authorities allow this “nonsense” shows that religion is not in control of our governments anymore. I have managed to get over this, I do not wish to force anyone to accept my religious beliefs or views, this I feel is extremely important in todays society.
It looks to me that the gay community is harrassing the Knight.
I think that may be taking the situation abit out of context.
 
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spiritblows:
Issue #1
Was the Canadian tribunal correct in punishing the KofC for cancelling the use of the hall by a lesbian couple?
No. It is not only wrong, it is a travesty of justice.

Under Human Rights legislation there is a duty to accommodate which can only be negated by undue hardship.

It was clearly undue hardship for a Catholic organization to rent the hall to a lesbian couple for purposes of a wedding.

The Charter which has paramountcy over all other law of the land is applied according to the rule of proportionality. In the case of two conflicting rights, one right cannot be denied completely: the rights must be accommodated proportionately.

In this case, if the only hall that the lesbian couple could rent or afford or access was the Knight’s hall then the Knight would have to rent at least a portion of it to them. But it was not the only hall. Furthermore, the Knight reimbursed the couple for reprinting their invitations and all other costs of relocating their wedding. The couple was accommodated proportionately.

What is happening here is state-sanctioned persecution of the Catholic Church.
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spiritblows:
Issue #2
How in the world did Costco get involved in this? This is a legal matter of one of their employees that is entirely seperate from their work for Costco.
Costco had no business in this. Their manager lied in order to falsely justify firing the Knight.
 
Let me get this straight, Cosco fired the Knight because he denied a lesbian couple from useing the facility? How can you guys defend this guy? HE is the one discriminating.
 
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TheBlackGhost:
Let me get this straight, Cosco fired the Knight because he denied a lesbian couple from useing the facility? How can you guys defend this guy? HE is the one discriminating.
If you had read the thread before posting, you would have gotten it straight and not made this post.


 
To carry on a debate requires that each side hear what the other has to say. It is obvious that some here are not doing that.

I just spent an hour cleaning up this thread after it became uncharitable. That put me in a bad mood, so consider yourselves as having been warned.

Walt
 
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Libero:
That is a matter of opinion, if you had placed an order for a venue, and then it is abruptly cancelled without even the decency for an apology, then it is immature, as Christians, we should appreciate the need to try and carry out our tasks in the nicest possible manner.
Thou must be be nice? Besides, how were they not nice?
That Civil Authorities allow this “nonsense” shows that religion is not in control of our governments anymore. I have managed to get over this, I do not wish to force anyone to accept my religious beliefs or views, this I feel is extremely important in todays society.
You mean the civil authority has enacted an unjust law that violates natural law and offends those folks trying to raise a family and helps spread the culture of death.
 
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fix:
The person who was fired was fired for reasons to pertain to “gay” marriage.
Not according to the Lifesite article. It says he was fired for making violent threats to a co-worker. The man, David Hauser, says he didn’t make such threats and that the was fired because the management didn’t like him.

There is an awful lot that we don’t know about this case. And that is a shame considering that he was fired more than a year ago.
 
Guar Fan:
Not according to the Lifesite article. It says he was fired for making violent threats to a co-worker. The man, David Hauser, says he didn’t make such threats and that the was fired because the management didn’t like him.

There is an awful lot that we don’t know about this case. And that is a shame considering that he was fired more than a year ago.
From the first sentence in the story:
PORT COQUITLAM, BC, November 30, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A member of the Knights of Columbus who is in charge of renting the fraternity’s hall for weddings and other events alleges he was fired from his day job at Costco for his involvement in denying two lesbians the facility for their same-sex “wedding.”
 
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fix:
From the first sentence in the story:
Exactly. Costco fired him for making violent threads, and he says he was really fired because of his lesbian controversy.

Unfortunately, we only have his word and a letter from HRC (saying both sides are at fault) to try to make sense of the firing. Since the firing took place over a year ago, it would have been nice to have acquired a bit more information.
 
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