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Lost_Sheep
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Who says the U.S. is the “most violent nation in the world”?
Who came up with that statistic?
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Who came up with that statistic?
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Lost_Sheep
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Not true.Because gun-related murders in the US number over 11,000. And gun-related death in the US (the proportion adjusted for population) is higher than anywhere else in the western world.
politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/23/facebook-posts/the-us-is-no-in-gun-violence-is-it/
An excerpt:
Because the U.S. is so big, it’s better to compare the frequency of firearm homicides per capita, usually expressed as firearm homicides per 100,000 in national population.
According to the U.N., the U.S. had 3.0 firearm homicides per 100,000 in population in 2009. But there were 14 other nations that had higher rates in 2009, primarily in Latin America and the Caribbean: Honduras (57.6), Jamaica (47.2), St. Kitts and Nevis (44.4), Venezuela (39.0), Guatemala (38.5), Colombia (28.1), Trinidad & Tobago (27.3), Panama (19.3), Dominican Republic (16.9), Bahamas (15.4), Belize (15.4), Mexico (7.9), Paraguay (7.3) and Nicaragua (5.9). Three other nations had higher rates in 2008: El Salvador (39.9), Brazil (18.1) and Ecuador (12.7).
So the U.S. doesn’t rank no. 1 when firearm homicides are adjusted for population.
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liturgyluver
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Lost sheep, I said the US was highest for gun homicides in the western world where it hs head and shoulder above every nation per capita. All the countries you mention are 3rd world ones.
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liturgyluver
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Let’s do that then:Not true.
politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/23/facebook-posts/the-us-is-no-in-gun-violence-is-it/
An excerpt:
Because the U.S. is so big, it’s better to compare the frequency of firearm homicides per capita, usually expressed as firearm homicides per 100,000 in national population.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
The US firearm death rates is 9 per 100,000
slightly behind South Africa at 9.41
USA 9
Switzerland 6.4
Canada: 4.78
France 3.0
Greece 1.5
Italy 1.28
Germany 1.10
Australia 1.05
United Kingdom 0.25
Japan 0.07
Looking at the table specifically at gun homicides the US is 2.98,
USA 2.98
Switzerland 0.58
Canada: 0.76
France 0.22
Greece 0.59
Italy 0.36
Germany 0.06
Australia 0.09
United Kingdom 0.04
Japan 0.02
and as for suicide by firearm the story is the same with the US leading the pack.
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Bill_7154
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Costs: Your Life
Benefits: You and your families Lives
peace,
Bill
Benefits: You and your families Lives
peace,
Bill
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smndtupidisaftr
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If the problem is the existence of guns, then Switzerland doesn’t fit the model because these fully automatic weapons are in the home and freely accessible.I still think Switzerland is different since they don’t have a stamding army and the arms are state issued for limited time with heavy registration and conditions and for a spefic purpose. The Swiss don’t talk about the right to bear arms. Note though they have a high suicide rate by gun (like the US)
I argue that it’s the drug war and welfare both of which encourage and subsidize certain lifestyles.But putting the gun issue aside, what then is the ultimate cause of so many gun murders in the US? Over 11,000 of them last year.
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smndtupidisaftr
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Who cares about gun homicide? It doesn’t make a difference to the victim whether it’s by gun or by knife or by any other weapon. Homicide is homicide.Lost sheep, I said the US was highest for gun homicides in the western world where it hs head and shoulder above every nation per capita. All the countries you mention are 3rd world ones.
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smndtupidisaftr
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Again, using only gun homicides is exceedingly disingenuous.Let’s do that then:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
The US firearm death rates is 9 per 100,000
slightly behind South Africa at 9.41
USA 9
Switzerland 6.4
Canada: 4.78
France 3.0
Greece 1.5
Italy 1.28
Germany 1.10
Australia 1.05
United Kingdom 0.25
Japan 0.07
Looking at the table specifically at gun homicides the US is 2.98,
USA 2.98
Switzerland 0.58
Canada: 0.76
France 0.22
Greece 0.59
Italy 0.36
Germany 0.06
Australia 0.09
United Kingdom 0.04
Japan 0.02
and as for suicide by firearm the story is the same with the US leading the pack.
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Bill_7154
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I’m wondering if someone can break down the % of gun deaths in the USA related to intent?
For example:
Marital/Love dispute= x%
Serial Killer= x%
Drug related= x%
etc…
I’m also curious what the per capita murder rate was in Portugal and any other countries that have relaxed policies of hard drugs compaared to USA and countries which have hard stances against hard drugs.
Thank you.
For example:
Marital/Love dispute= x%
Serial Killer= x%
Drug related= x%
etc…
I’m also curious what the per capita murder rate was in Portugal and any other countries that have relaxed policies of hard drugs compaared to USA and countries which have hard stances against hard drugs.
Thank you.
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Bill_7154
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That’s what happens when peoples personal agendas drives the statistics rather than gathering stats and then determining what they all mean… bias vs unbiased.Again, using only gun homicides is exceedingly disingenuous.
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Bill_7154
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No go ahead and bread it down by how the countries handle drug (hard drug ) prosecution, apprehension, etc, ect, etc and see how those stats look…Lost sheep, I said the US was highest for gun homicides in the western world where it hs head and shoulder above every nation per capita. All the countries you mention are 3rd world ones.
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Bill_7154
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How many ‘family’ shootings had marital discord or a 1 parent family first? Disfunctional family? How many ‘teens’ were gang members? Semantics is a curious thing, is it not?^Addendum.
Social and familial setting arguably plays a role in guns and there use or non-use on other people.
Case study in how statistics can be compiled to prove what you want. Crime in Milwaukee was reported by the MPD (Milwaukee Police Department) to be on a decline but the Milwaukee Journal’s investigative reporting (not the FBI) showed that Milwaukee’s crime was on the rise but misreporting in the police’s statistical processes invariably showed the opposite.
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jwinch2
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anarchistsoccermom.blogspot.com/2012/12/thinking-unthinkable.html
Mental illness is the issue combined with a society which glorifies violence (Hollywood Liberals bash conservatives for their support of gun rights at the same time make movies where hundreds of people are killed, raped, etc.). Take those conditions and put them in the middle of a society which has no sense of right or wrong because is has lost it’s sense of God and has no understanding that every single life has intrinsic value and dignity precisely because they are a child of a God who loves them and these tragedies are what you end up with.
In the wake of another horrific national tragedy, it’s easy to talk about guns. But it’s time to talk about mental illness.
I live with a son who is mentally ill. I love my son. But he terrifies me.
A powerful story, and a scary one, that is definitely worth your time to read. Perhaps we need to put the focus on the area that is the problem, instead of blaming inanimate objects. How many people die in car crashes every day without any cry to get rid of cars, or restrict their use?A few weeks ago, Michael pulled a knife and threatened to kill me and then himself after I asked him to return his overdue library books. His 7 and 9 year old siblings knew the safety plan—they ran to the car and locked the doors before I even asked them to. I managed to get the knife from Michael, then methodically collected all the sharp objects in the house into a single Tupperware container that now travels with me. Through it all, he continued to scream insults at me and threaten to kill or hurt me.
Mental illness is the issue combined with a society which glorifies violence (Hollywood Liberals bash conservatives for their support of gun rights at the same time make movies where hundreds of people are killed, raped, etc.). Take those conditions and put them in the middle of a society which has no sense of right or wrong because is has lost it’s sense of God and has no understanding that every single life has intrinsic value and dignity precisely because they are a child of a God who loves them and these tragedies are what you end up with.
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Bill_7154
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To me, the ‘problem’ is the news constantly reporting negative things, making society have a negative outlook on itself. It magnifies the negativity greatly IMO.anarchistsoccermom.blogspot.com/2012/12/thinking-unthinkable.html
A powerful story, and a scary one, that is definitely worth your time to read. Perhaps we need to put the focus on the area that is the problem.
Peace,
Bill
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Bill_7154
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Maybe we should use the ammt of murders by the weapon of the Tahitian tribes to decide why societies use of them is out of control. People are MURDERED WITH THESE THINGS!!!Again, using only gun homicides is exceedingly disingenuous.
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Bill_7154
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In the state of MA can someone get a permit to purchase a handgun that will remain in their home only?
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Bill_7154
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No saying the name of a state is not enough facts. Listing how many kids with violent records shot or got shot vs. kids that didn’t would be adequate.Connecticut enough facts for you?
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Bill_7154
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By MY logic they should be treated like alchohol. Thousands less murders by GUNS!!! every year.But…we do blame drugs for the drug problem. By your logic they should be freely availble too?
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Brendan
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The ‘limited time’ is until the man turns 45, which is when his term of military service ends… And even then, at the end of one’s term of service, you can purchase your gun from the government at almost no cost.I still think Switzerland is different since they don’t have a stamding army and the arms are state issued for limited time with heavy registration and conditions and for a spefic purpose. The Swiss don’t talk about the right to bear arms. Note though they have a high suicide rate by gun (like the US)
But putting the gun issue aside, what then is the ultimate cause of so many gun murders in the US? Over 11,000 of them last year.
Other guns may generally be freely purchased
FYI, the Swiss gov does encourage regular practice with the rifles, arranges shooting clubs.
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1566715.stm
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liturgyluver
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The good old USofA is still the highest for the all homicide rate, not just guns.No go ahead and bread it down by how the countries handle drug (hard drug ) prosecution, apprehension, etc, ect, etc and see how those stats look…
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