Cotroversial Discussion: America should have made Christianity a requirement for citizenship

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Right now, Muslims and the Islamic faith are growing in the Western world at an alarmingly fast rate. France will probably become Muslim soon. I believe England is next. I do believe that eventually (when is not certain) America too will eventually be controlled by Muslims.

So, three questions:
  1. Do you believe Muslims will evntually end up controlling the Western World?
  2. Is this necessarily a bad thing? Why or why not?
  3. To stop America from being controlled by Muslims and to save the future of Christianity, should we make Christianity a requirement of citizenship from now on? All people already in the country who are non-christian are grandfathered in, but only Christians are granted citizenship from now on. Is this a good idea? Why or why not?
I am considering all these issues now and am currently on the fence.

Discuss.
 
Marc_Anthony said:
Right now, Muslims and the Islamic faith are growing in the Western world at an alarmingly fast rate. France will probably become Muslim soon. I believe England is next. I do believe that eventually (when is not certain) America too will eventually be controlled by Muslims.

So, three questions:
  1. Do you believe Muslims will evntually end up controlling the Western World?
  2. Is this necessarily a bad thing? Why or why not?
  3. To stop America from being controlled by Muslims and to save the future of Christianity, should we make Christianity a requirement of citizenship from now on? All people already in the country who are non-christian are grandfathered in, but only Christians are granted citizenship from now on. Is this a good idea? Why or why not?
I am considering all these issues now and am currently on the fence.

Discuss.
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  1. No. I do believe there will be major wars between the West and Islam (including civil wars in Europe), but the West will eventually triumph.
  2. It would be a very bad thing.
  3. No, but we should restrict immigration greatly.
What needs to happen is the West needs to return to the Faith and start procreating again. The last ~300 years have only been a truce in the war between Islam and the West which raged for 1000 years until Vienna and Prince Eugene’s reconquest of the Balkans. Given the theology of Islam, the war won’t ever end.

God Bless
 
Marc_Anthony said:
Right now, Muslims and the Islamic faith are growing in the Western world at an alarmingly fast rate. France will probably become Muslim soon. I believe England is next. I do believe that eventually (when is not certain) America too will eventually be controlled by Muslims.

So, three questions:
  1. Do you believe Muslims will evntually end up controlling the Western World?
  2. Is this necessarily a bad thing? Why or why not?
  3. To stop America from being controlled by Muslims and to save the future of Christianity, should we make Christianity a requirement of citizenship from now on? All people already in the country who are non-christian are grandfathered in, but only Christians are granted citizenship from now on. Is this a good idea? Why or why not?
I am considering all these issues now and am currently on the fence.

Discuss.
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  1. If nothing happens, it is inevitable.
  2. I personally would rather not live in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, or Kuwait as it is. I certainly don’t want to make the United States as such.
  3. No, we do have a freedom of religion. I am not in favor of Muslims taking control of the country, however, I am even more against going against the Constitution for a personal agenda. The problem is the public support of birth control and abortion. Without those, We would not have this problem. We have lost more people to abortion in America, than to all the wars we have been in combined. Until we stop the public support for these, our population will furthur be taken over.
 
Redratfish said:
  1. No, we do have a freedom of religion. I am not in favor of Muslims taking control of the country, however, I am even more against going against the Constitution for a personal agenda. The problem is the public support of birth control and abortion. Without those, We would not have this problem. We have lost more people to abortion in America, than to all the wars we have been in combined. Until we stop the public support for these, our population will furthur be taken over.
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Right now, it is true that we have freedom of religion. But I’m not sure that freedom of religion is the inalienable right the (flawed) founding fathers thought it was. Israel is essentially a Jewish state; you know that even if Muslims enter the country, they won’t end up controlling it. Is Israel evil for making Judaism essentially a requirement for citizenship?
 
I’m not sure, do most Americans consider Catholics as Christians yet? 😛
 
Religion is a choice people make. You can’t force someone to become a Muslim and you can’t force someone to become a Christian because that is the main reason why God or Allah gave us the power of free will to make choices in life. Those Muslims trying to control the world don’t understand the Holy Quran and most of them don’t even know Allah. Allah doesn’t force anybody to worship Him. Allah has given us the power to make our own decisions in life. If you force someone to become a Muslim then you are going against the will of Allah or God.
 
Gloria1 said:
Religion is a choice people make. You can’t force someone to become a Muslim and you can’t force someone to become a Christian because that is the main reason why God or Allah gave us the power of free will to make choices in life. Those Muslims trying to control the world don’t understand the Holy Quran and most of them don’t even know Allah. Allah doesn’t force anybody to worship Him. Allah has given us the power to make our own decisions in life. If you force someone to become a Muslim then you are going against the will of Allah or God.
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I know, but can you please state your point?

My proposed explanation, of making Christianity a requirement for citizenship, forces nobody to do anything. If you’re aleadyhere, no reason for you or your children to convert. You’re grandfathered in. If you want to enter the country, you have to be Christian. If you don’t want to convert to Christianity, then don’t enter the country.
 
I think the question that needs to be answered is this: Why are so many converting to Islam? What is it offering, promising, providing that Christianity is not?
 
Marc_Anthony said:
I know, but can you please state your point?

My proposed explanation, of making Christianity a requirement for citizenship, forces nobody to do anything. If you’re aleadyhere, no reason for you or your children to convert. You’re grandfathered in. If you want to enter the country, you have to be Christian. If you don’t want to convert to Christianity, then don’t enter the country.
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You realize that requirement would have made us lose WWII?
 
Lutheranteach said:
I think the question that needs to be answered is this: Why are so many converting to Islam? What is it offering, promising, providing that Christianity is not?
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Yes, excellent point. Why are people converting to Islam?

Are they offering, promising, or providing something that Christianity isn’t?

Or do you think that Muslims are militant and are pressuring, even threatening, people to convert?
 
Lutheranteach said:
You realize that requirement would have made us lose WWII?
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So?

We’re not in a WWII right now. Different times, different measures?

Also, we’re talking the fallacy of the predetermined outcome. I don’t know how early this should’ve been implemented (if it should have been implemented, I’m very unhappy with the concept of ending freedom of religion). Maybe the country should have implemented it at its creation. Who knows what the world would have been like?
 
Marc_Anthony said:
Right now, it is true that we have freedom of religion. But I’m not sure that freedom of religion is the inalienable right the (flawed) founding fathers thought it was. Israel is essentially a Jewish state; you know that even if Muslims enter the country, they won’t end up controlling it. Is Israel evil for making Judaism essentially a requirement for citizenship?
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You don’t think giving someone the choice of what they believe (free will) is an inalienable right? I would not live in a country where there was a required religion, even Catholicism. That takes any free will out of the equation. The founding fathers got it right.

Separation of the Church and state however, has been perverted from meaning, “the government cannot force you to be a religion”, to now meaning “anything with morality at all is religious, and so if you think its morally unacceptable, we can tell you to shut up”.

I still stand by my saying birth control, and abortion are the problems.
 
I don’t consider Islam a religion of peace and because we have been at war with the fanatics of this movement, I would certainly think it would be prudent not to extend citizenship to them.

Yes, I think it is a done deal in Western Europe. Part of the problem is they and we don’t know our own religions and assume all religions are peaceful. Islam is not peaceful. I don’t even consider it a religion. Its policy in its Quran which the followers MUST follow tells its people to conquer and convert the infidel by the sword if necessary. The infidel is all who disagree with Islam. That would be us.
 
What would be us if we force people to follow our religion without choice? The Church had tried to do that in the Medieval, the result was not too pleasant, I would not trade anything to come back to the 30s, lest the Medieval.

Would Jesus like it? Again before doing something, put yourselves in the position of Jesus, like Protestants usually say “What would Jesus do”.

Then finally,if we force our religion down on people’s throat, aren’t we just the same as those Islam extremist who persecute anybody that does not agree with them, not just in their own countries but even in Western countries. If we force our religion on people, then we’re nobody better than them.

As I believe the Europe world is becoming more secular, the vision of Islam become state religion of Europe would hardly become true at all.
 
aicirt said:
Yes, I think it is a done deal in Western Europe. Part of the problem is they and we don’t know our own religions and assume all religions are peaceful. Islam is not peaceful. I don’t even consider it a religion. Its policy in its Quran which the followers MUST follow tells its people to conquer and convert the infidel by the sword if necessary. The infidel is all who disagree with Islam. That would be us.
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I doubt it. The backlash has already started.

The unfortunate thing is that since mainstream parties are too gutless to oppose Islam, it is left to the facist fringe.

I think you’ll eventually see a facist resurgence in Europe to counter the Islamic takeover, and it will get ugly.

The best case scenario is probably Francisco Franco type leaders and Falangist parties, which, all in all, is a lot better than the Muslims taking over.
 
Marc_Anthony said:
Right now, Muslims and the Islamic faith are growing in the Western world at an alarmingly fast rate. France will probably become Muslim soon. I believe England is next. I do believe that eventually (when is not certain) America too will eventually be controlled by Muslims.

So, three questions:
  1. Do you believe Muslims will evntually end up controlling the Western World?
  2. Is this necessarily a bad thing? Why or why not?
  3. To stop America from being controlled by Muslims and to save the future of Christianity, should we make Christianity a requirement of citizenship from now on? All people already in the country who are non-christian are grandfathered in, but only Christians are granted citizenship from now on. Is this a good idea? Why or why not?
I am considering all these issues now and am currently on the fence.

Discuss.
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  1. No I don’t believe they will. Although Islam is becoming more prevalent in the western world, I don’t think they’ll “take over.”
  2. Every Muslim I’ve met (and I’ve met quite a good number) have been good peaceful people. All of them are horrified about what is going on in the world giving their religion a bad name, and many of them have suffered because of some people’s prejudice about their religion.
  3. Although America was founded on Christianity (the foundation of the government even being based on the Baptist Church’s organization), the founding fathers specifically stipulated Freedom of Speech in our founding document. No matter how aggressive the Islamic extremists get, they won’t change one of the fundamental values our country on which our country was founded. And, although I am a native of the Bible Belt, I would never be in favor of this particular alteration to our government. Would you be against the immigration of Jews? What about people of any other faith? Agnostic? Would you restrict immigration to only straight men and women? Would homosexuals still be allowed?
    See, the restricting of non-Christian immigrants is too tricky of a business, and it goes against the foundation of our country. It would not only spark internal uneasiness, but would make us lose many of our Allies, so if a war ever were to occur, we would be close to alone.
 
In addition to other reasons already aired in this discussion, I would be concerned that some prospective immigrants and citizenship candidates would go along with the conversion requirement just to get the green light on immigrating/citizenship. Filling Christian churches with converts who don’t really believe doesn’t seem like a sound way to promote the faith. There is an abundance of lukewarm Christians as it is.
 
If we made that a requirement we wouldnt have the first muslim president:D
 
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