No communion should be measured by the actions of some members. The only church that always acts in keeping with God’s will is the Church Triumphant.When I’m thinking better of the RC, something like this comes through and it’s one of the things that simply should not be.
theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2014/02/roman-catholic-church-to-canonize-archbishop-stepinac-the-mass-murder-of-orthodox-christians/
Did you know St Thomas More supervised the execution of some convicted criminals? Killing isn’t a sin. Some of the reasons behind them are.When I’m thinking better of the RC, something like this comes through and it’s one of the things that simply should not be.
theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2014/02/roman-catholic-church-to-canonize-archbishop-stepinac-the-mass-murder-of-orthodox-christians/
=MommaduckofMany;11710599]When I’m thinking better of the RC, something like this comes through and it’s one of the things that simply should not be.
May I make two points please:
If you will allow me to take a tangent, I promise it will come back to your point.When I’m thinking better of the RC, something like this comes through and it’s one of the things that simply should not be.
theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2014/02/roman-catholic-church-to-canonize-archbishop-stepinac-the-mass-murder-of-orthodox-christians/
Are you objective enough to see the other side of the story? Or something is already so ingrained in your whole being that it does not matter if evidence is shown that is contrary or refutes the claims in the link you provided?When I’m thinking better of the RC, something like this comes through and it’s one of the things that simply should not be.
theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2014/02/roman-catholic-church-to-canonize-archbishop-stepinac-the-mass-murder-of-orthodox-christians/
Hi MommaduckofMany. Can you elaborate a bit? I know that Stepianac was convicted by a Yugoslav court, but my understanding is that the trial was conducted in a highly suspicious manner, so I don’t think we can trust its verdict.When I’m thinking better of the RC, something like this comes through and it’s one of the things that simply should not be.
theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2014/02/roman-catholic-church-to-canonize-archbishop-stepinac-the-mass-murder-of-orthodox-christians/
The site you linked seems to have taken its information directly from wikepedia, which has"citation needed" all over the article. Meaning, there isn’t enough reliable information coming from wikipedia to build on, either way.It was a sincere question, for those that wondered. I asked it on my FB page and limited commentators to Catholic and Orthodox only, because I did NOT want people using it merely to slam or rabbit trail. I finally deleted after a bit of conversation.
Basically, it came down to (or seems to come down to) this man being blamed more for the fact that he was in a role of authority during this and this happened UNDER him. However, whether he had direct part, who knows. There are good and bad posted about him. My issue was, if this man was directly involved with forced conversions and slaughter of common Orthodox, then why the heck cannonise him? Any “miracles” from his body would have to be deemed demonic as his actions throughout life were evil. But, the conversation boiled down to the fact that we do not specifically know (or had enough information for the discussion). I did have a friend that grew up Greek in Albania and she recommended the book Decameron…having to hide her ethnicity growing up and not being able to even hint an interest in the Church (Orthodox), this is all closer to home for her.
So, basically, the answer came down to “unresolved” either direction.
My question was asked though because this was the first I’d heard of it and I was a bit shocked. There are priests that had helped save lives (of those not of their faith) and those should be the ones remembered.
Would you mind making the point more directly, because I can only see two alternatives from what you actually wrote, what Jharek said, or that you believe being Orthodox is a crime worthy of death - and I don’t for a minute believe you could possibly be saying that.Forget about the “inapt” comparison. It’s a shame you failed to see the point I was making…
May I make two points please:
- here is a site that contradicts your post details.
I have read a few articles from that website, and it certainly gives a more balanced view by mentioning how things were for Catholics prior to the war in the former Yugoslav(what certain Catholics did to the Orthodox during the second war was in many ways precipitated by what Catholics had endured for decades before the war by Serbian Orthodox).
P.S. Moreover, I have heard it said even by some Orthodox that OrthodoxInfo is not a very kosher site so be careful which sites you choose to attain your information.
Here’s what I posted not so long ago (although I had a post that had more info, i.e., I’m still trying to find it):It was a sincere question, for those that wondered. I asked it on my FB page and limited commentators to Catholic and Orthodox only, because I did NOT want people using it merely to slam or rabbit trail. I finally deleted after a bit of conversation.
Basically, it came down to (or seems to come down to) this man being blamed more for the fact that he was in a role of authority during this and this happened UNDER him. However, whether he had direct part, who knows. There are good and bad posted about him. My issue was, if this man was directly involved with forced conversions and slaughter of common Orthodox, then why the heck cannonise him? Any “miracles” from his body would have to be deemed demonic as his actions throughout life were evil. But, the conversation boiled down to the fact that we do not specifically know (or had enough information for the discussion). I did have a friend that grew up Greek in Albania and she recommended the book Decameron…having to hide her ethnicity growing up and not being able to even hint an interest in the Church (Orthodox), this is all closer to home for her.
So, basically, the answer came down to “unresolved” either direction.
My question was asked though because this was the first I’d heard of it and I was a bit shocked. There are priests that had helped save lives (of those not of their faith) and those should be the ones remembered.
As for Stepinac, the archbishop who “more or less supported them”, is a lie distributed by the communist regime who later took control of Yugoslavia, here is an excerpt from “Hitler, the War, and the Pope” (Ronald Rychclak):
"The leader of the Roman Catholic Church in Croatia at that time was Archbishop (later Cardinal) Aloysius Stepinac. Others have noted that when the brutality began, Stepinac ‘“almost immediately . . . used his position to speak out against the maltreatment of Jews and Orthodox Christians.”’ He also conducted extensive relief work, including hiding refugees in Church buildings. Stepinac was recognized as a staunch opponent of Fascist leaders, but after the war, he was a threat to the Communist regime that took over. Communist leader Josip Broz Tito put Stepinac on trial, and he was convicted of having supported the Ustache goverment’s brutality towards the Serbs and of having engaged in forcible conversions.
P.S. The Communists did the same thing to Blessed Pope Pius XII, i.e., they deliberately tarnished his reputation via propaganda in the form of “The Deputy” written by a Communist sympathizer named Rolf Hochhuth (who once had ties to the Nazis). They (the Communists in Russia) saw the Church has being an enemy of communism, in fact when the cold war ended, the Soviet archives indicated that we were enemy no.1.During Stepinac’s trial, the prosecution produced a report allegedly sent by the archbishop to the Pope dated May 18, 1943. It bitterly condemned the Serbs and the Orthodox Church. It also showed Stepinac to have been working for the Ustashe and calling the Pope to arrange for foreign intervention in Yugoslavia. Stepinac denied having written or sent this letter. It was not written on diocesan paper, and it did not have an address or signature. It was in Italian, instead of the formalized Latin style normally used by the archbishop. It referred to Stepinac as ““metropoleta de Croatie et Slovoniae,”” but Stepinac never referred to himself that way. It contained detailed information about Bosnia and its history, which Stepinac was unlikely to know, especially as Bosnia was not part of his diocese. The Communists claimed that the letter was found in the Croatian Foreign Ministry offices, but Stepinac did not send his reports there. The prosecutor claimed to have a copy signed by Stepinac, but he never produced it at trial, and it does not appear in the record of court documents."