Could a formless entity cause any changes?

[Bahman]

I am not closed to science, what you are promoting is not science but your interpretation of what it means. At the same time you reject any truth which cannot be verified by science. That is ideological scientism.
Linus2nd

To me truth reveals itself within both field of science and philosophy. That was you that gave up the discussion every time with different reason then, one time call me ideological scietism, another time eastern philosopher and the most interesting one troll.

What I said about science is not my finding hence it cannot be my interpretation. They are mostly the interpretation of giant thinker like Einstein, Schroedinger, Dirac, Feynman, Boltzmann, Newton and many others.

And I don’t reject the truth since it cannot be rejected. I mostly argue about current state of our knowledge which cannot be the truth.You think that you know the truth and that is the problem since it make your mind static. What is the point of doing philosophy if we know the truth from philosophical point of view. So everybody should shut up and stop thinking since the truth from your point of view is summarized in books of Aristotle and Thomas.

 

[Contarini]

First what is form? Form is configuration of an entity.
Second what is changes? Changes is reconfiguration of an entity.
Third what can cause changes? What cause changes has to have a form since it has to manifest itself differently to the entity which is the subject of change.

Hence a formless entity cannot cause any changes.

The Catholic theological tradition, drawing on Plato and Aristotle, doesn’t say that God is formless, but rather that God is pure Form without matter.

The word “form” is, of course, being used differently. You’re drawing more on the Indian philosophical tradition, I think.

Edwin

 

[Linusthe2nd]

To me truth reveals itself within both field of science and philosophy. That was you that gave up the discussion every time with different reason then, one time call me ideological scietism, another time eastern philosopher and the most interesting one troll.

What I said about science is not my finding hence it cannot be my interpretation. They are mostly the interpretation of giant thinker like Einstein, Schroedinger, Dirac, Feynman, Boltzmann, Newton and many others.

And I don’t reject the truth since it cannot be rejected. I mostly argue about current state of our knowledge which cannot be the truth.You think that you know the truth and that is the problem since it make your mind static. What is the point of doing philosophy if we know the truth from philosophical point of view. So everybody should shut up and stop thinking since the truth from your point of view is summarized in books of Aristotle and Thomas.

Well, whatever the problem you are a victim of scientism and there is no point in carrying on a discussion with an ideologue. If you can’t see the truth then you can’t see it. We have all given you plenty of time to state your case - and it isn’t selling.

Linus2nd.

 

[Bahman]

Well, whatever the problem you are a victim of scientism and there is no point in carrying on a discussion with an ideologue. If you can’t see the truth then you can’t see it. We have all given you plenty of time to state your case - and it isn’t selling.

Linus2nd.

I am not here to sell anything but to learn from other people and for that I need to get involved into a discussion to find my weakness so I can then elaborate.

 

[Linusthe2nd]

I would therefore propose to you that God, too has form…

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That is something we can agree on .

Linus2nd.