Could a nice Catholic please qualify these sins?

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Mortal or venial:
  1. Suicide of a Catholic due to pain.
  2. Saying “Oh my God” or a related phrase.
  3. Not going to Mass on a Holy Day of Obligation due to a reason such as having to go to work.
  4. Saying “curse words” such as the f-word,
  5. Having an abortion if the life of the woman is at risk.
Also, if you attend an Orthodox church on Sunday, does that count as going to a Mass (and therefore you don’t commit a mortal sin by missing Mass)?

Thanks and God Bless.
 
Its impossible to tell if a named sin is mortal or not. It always depends on the person committing it, whether or not they know it is a sin and that it is grave matter. God judges mortal sins, and he knows men’s hearts.

I think its usually possible to tell if something is grave matter, so instead of saying mortal sin, we can say “grave matter”.
  1. Sin, grave matter.
  2. Venial sin.
  3. Not a sin, though usually Saturday night masses will allow a person to get to mass anyway.
  4. Venial sin.
  5. Sin, grave matter - a person was intentionally murdered.
Going to an Orthodox church fulfills the mass obligation only if there are no Catholic Churches available anywhere.

At least, that is off the top of my head. Hopefully no heresy here! 🙂
 
Hello!

Mortal sin is a complicated issue, you must remember that all mortal sins must meet these three criterion;

Grave matter
Full Consent
Full Knowlege

That said, I shall go through your list.
  1. Suicide of a Catholic due to pain.
If the person is a fully instructed Catholic and realise the gravity of their act then this might constitute a mortal sin; however their psychological state and greif might mean that their consent was not fully given. So this is not nessecarily a mortal sin. But, in full knowlege & consent it does constitute a mortal sin.
  1. Saying “Oh my God” or a related phrase.
Saying this in the right context is not even a sin. Many prayers or hymns have similar such wordings; however to take God’s name in vain is a sin, and if done so with full consideration and consent it may be mortal; however most people who say such are not in a perfectly considered state of mind - they are usually surprised etc.
  1. Not going to Mass on a Holy Day of Obligation due to a reason such as having to go to work.
Missing mass for work, travel, sickness or caring for a relative is not a sin.
  1. Saying “curse words” such as the f-word,
The F word is an English word for breeding, often applied to farm animals. However it is usually used in a vulgar and insulting manner and as such constitutes a minor sin.
  1. Having an abortion if the life of the woman is at risk.
Murders of this fashion remove the individual from communion with the church automatically and immediatly. This is one of the types of thing that results in a Latae sententiae Excommuncation. If this act is commited with full conset and in full knowlege it constitutes a mortal sin.

Hope that helped!
 
to be a mortal sin it must meet the following requirements:

a. Grave (serious) matter
b. Full knowledge (that it is grave matter)
c. Deliberate intent (doing it on purpose)
  1. Suicide is grave matter (it goes against the commandment “thou shalt not kill”). However, culpability can be diminished in certain circumstances: (excerpts from the Catechism):
2282
Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.

2283
We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.
  1. Not sure if this is grave matter or not.
  2. The person should do everything they reasonably can to go to mass, but if they can’t find time because work forbids them (keep in mind mass is usually offered Saturday evening, Sunday morning at various times, and Sunday evening, so for most people they will be off work at some point during that time) then it’s not a sin.
  3. I’m not sure, but I would guess that it’s a venial sin.
  4. Having an abortion is grave matter, yes, even if the life of the woman is at risk, because the unborn has a soul, too. So if someone has an abortion, or someone does an abortion, cooperates in an abortion or coerces someone to get an abortion, regardless of the risk of health to the mother , (and they do it with full knowledge and deliberate intent) then it would be a mortal sin. However, like with suicide, if someone is suffering from “grave psychological disturbances” or has “grave fear of hardship [or] suffering” then their culpability is diminished.
Going to Orthodox church does not count as meeting the Sunday obligation (therefore you must go to mass). Be sure that if you go to an Orthodox church or any other church that is not Catholic that you do not take communion.
 
I stand corrected. The other poster is right, Eastern Orthodox divine liturgy does not fulfill the Sunday mass obligation. But if one is in a situation where it is impossible to get to a Catholic mass on Sunday, then I believe that there is no sin to miss mass that day as long as effort is made.
 
Mortal or venial:
  1. Suicide of a Catholic due to pain.
  2. Saying “Oh my God” or a related phrase.
  3. Not going to Mass on a Holy Day of Obligation due to a reason such as having to go to work.
  4. Saying “curse words” such as the f-word,
  5. Having an abortion if the life of the woman is at risk.
Also, if you attend an Orthodox church on Sunday, does that count as going to a Mass (and therefore you don’t commit a mortal sin by missing Mass)?

Thanks and God Bless.
I would add my 2 cents to what has already been said with regard to what it takes for a sin to be “mortal.”

Number 2 “could” qualify as grave matter because it does go against the Commandment.

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Mortal or venial:
  1. Suicide of a Catholic due to pain.
not allowed. Catholics are allowed however to take medication to deal with the pain
  1. Saying “Oh my God” or a related phrase.
depends on the context where the phrase is used. if its used casually, then its taking the Lord’s name in vain.
  1. Not going to Mass on a Holy Day of Obligation due to a reason such as having to go to work.
the Bishop can dispense the obligation from the day itself to the following Sunday. but otherwise missing a Holiday of Obligation is equivalent to missing a Mass on Sunday, which is a day of obligation as well
  1. Saying “curse words” such as the f-word,
depends on the intention
  1. Having an abortion if the life of the woman is at risk.
not allowed. at no point must the death of the fetus be the primary target of a procedure or operation.
Also, if you attend an Orthodox church on Sunday, does that count as going to a Mass (and therefore you don’t commit a mortal sin by missing Mass)?

Thanks and God Bless.
no, this is not allowed
i’ve heard that you can when you are in a location that does not have any Catholic parishes within a reasonable distance. but i can’t confirm it. but definitely you can’t attend an Orthodox Divine Litrugy just because you want to experience it. if you want, you can attend one in an Eastern Catholic parish, it would be the same Liturgy, but the Easter Church is in communion with Rome. thus you can validly receive the Eucharist and all Sacraments from that parish
 
but definitely you can’t attend an Orthodox Divine Litrugy just because you want to experience it.
You can go to an Orthodox Divine Liturgy just like you can go to most other religions services (barring something like Satanism) to experience it as long as you don’t take communion, and you still meet your Sunday obligation and go to mass.
 
It seems that this topic is along the lines of “if you ask 10 economists what they think of the economy you’ll get 10 different opinions”!

Certainly it’s wrong to say that “all 5 are not a sin”.

Suicide is usually treated these days as a symptom of something underlying rather than a deliberate wilful act. As such we would wish to treat the suicide victim mercifully and trust to God’s mercy that it isn’t necessarily ‘mortal’.

Taking the Lord’s name in vain is serious indeed, the utterances you have in mind will only be sinful depending on their context. If uttered for the purposes of cursing, then yes, gravely sinful and blasphemous. If uttered in surprise, then as said, not fully assented to. We are, of course, surrounded by idiomatic usages of sacred words, so the intent is what matters here.

It is permissible to miss a Holy Day of Obligation if one is completely unable to attend Mass on that day (for reasons of necessary work, sickness, necessary travel). However, we should be aware that there are such days on our calendar and do our best to mitigate the impediments to attending Mass if we can. That might not be possible for a doctor, for example, who is expected to conduct an operation on that day. It certainly IS possible for your average office worker who has the opportunity to use leave time or a personal day in order to be able to attend a Mass on an obligated weekday.

Cursing can definitely be rude and stands the chance of offending others. It should be noted that many curse words have their roots in religious language (bl–dy, for example, being a reference to the spear in Christ’s side, ‘gosh’ being an avoidance of using the name ‘God’, etc), so be aware of the context and the effects of saying such words. It is unlikely that saying the F word in private counts as sinful, although one should avoid forming the habit such that you come out with it in public and offend someone. At the point at which you carelessly hurt someone else’s feelings you’re probably committing a venial sin.

Abortion is simply a big no-no. It is never permissible. It is possible that a medical procedure carried out on a pregnant women for the necessity of saving her life has the accidental side-effect of causing a miscarriage or still-birth and (and, although this is my honest belief, I might need correction if I’m wrong on this) sin isn’t present, but the ending of the pregnancy should not ever be the primary object of that procedure.

As far as Orthodox Church attendance goes, I believe we hold that their Communion is valid, but that since we are not IN communion with them, therefore we should not expect to be able to receive Communion in an Orthodox church except and unless there is a very exceptional grave reason why it should be necessary - i.e. the imminent danger of death of the communicant concerned and that there is a lack of any Catholic clergy within reach. In general cases, I think that many Orthodox churchgoers would be scandalised if they were aware of Catholic persons receiving Communion at their church, since that person would not have been formally accepted into their community. While Catholics may be permitted as part of the rules of our Church in exceptionally grave circumstance to receive Orthodox Communion, I have no idea what the rules of the Orthodox Churches are in that respect. It’s possible that they might even prohibit it.
 
Mortal or venial:
  1. Suicide of a Catholic due to pain. THAT DEPENDS ON THE MENTAL STATE OF THE INDIVIDUAL.
  2. Saying “Oh my God” or a related phrase. VENIAL
  3. Not going to Mass on a Holy Day of Obligation due to a reason such as having to go to work. MORTAL. ALSO, MOST PARISHES HAVE MASS AT A CONVENIENT TIME.
  4. Saying “curse words” such as the f-word, VENIAL
  5. Having an abortion if the life of the woman is at risk. THE CHURCH USUALLY IF NOT ALWAYS SIDES WITH THE FETUS.
Also, if you attend an Orthodox church on Sunday, does that count as going to a Mass (and therefore you don’t commit a mortal sin by missing Mass)? TECHNICALLY NO BECAUSE THE ORTHODOX ARE CONSIDERED IN SCHISM. HOWEVER, THE DIVINE LITURGY IS STILL VALID AND THE SACRAMENTS ARE LICIT. THIS IS ACTUALLY A GOOD QUESTION!!

Thanks and God Bless.
 
IN MY OPINION ONLY:
Mortal or venial:
  1. Suicide of a Catholic due to pain.
Could be either, more likely to be mortal though.
  1. Saying “Oh my God” or a related phrase.
Venial
  1. Not going to Mass on a Holy Day of Obligation due to a reason such as having to go to work.
None.
  1. Saying “curse words” such as the f-word,
None, it’s a word.
  1. Having an abortion if the life of the woman is at risk.
At least venial, most likely mortal. Though if she’s going to die, I wouldn’t hold it against anyone.
Also, if you attend an Orthodox church on Sunday, does that count as going to a Mass (and therefore you don’t commit a mortal sin by missing Mass)?

Thanks and God Bless.
I think you have to go to Catholic Church if there’s one around. Though I don’t equate missing one or two Masses for ANY reason as a sin punishable by the flames of HELL. Though it most defientaly can be if you stop going all together.
 
Mortal or venial:
  1. Suicide of a Catholic due to pain.
It depends whether the pain was strong enough to compromise the person’s free will.
  1. Saying “Oh my God” or a related phrase.
Depends on the person’s intent. Do they intend to trivialize God’s name, or to ask God for help? Or somewhere in the middle?
  1. Not going to Mass on a Holy Day of Obligation due to a reason such as having to go to work.
Depends how hard they tried and how important the reason was.
  1. Saying “curse words” such as the f-word,
Not really a sin on its own, unless there is some other sin like insulting someone, or scandal.
  1. Having an abortion if the life of the woman is at risk.
Depends whether the fear of death compromised the woman’s free will.
Also, if you attend an Orthodox church on Sunday, does that count as going to a Mass (and therefore you don’t commit a mortal sin by missing Mass)?
Depends whether there was a Catholic mass available to you, and why you chose that one!

Sorry, its rarely a clear answer!
 
  1. Suicide of a Catholic due to pain.
    It is very possible that the person might not be fully culpable - They might not be in a state of mine to make such a decision freely.
  2. Not going to Mass on a Holy Day of Obligation due to a reason such as having to go to work. I think this one may depend on the nature of the job - it might not be a sin at all. Imagine if no Dr’s were in the emergency room on Sundays…
  3. Having an abortion if the life of the woman is at risk. See #1, the stress might effect judgment and culpability.
Also, if you attend an Orthodox church on Sunday, does that count as going to a Mass (and therefore you don’t commit a mortal sin by missing Mass)?

We are required to attend Catholic mass on Sunday’s and other days of Holy Obligation. We can freely choose which Rite to attend. So the question comes down to weather or not the specific Orthodox Church is in communion with Rome (ie Catholic) or not - back of my mind is there are something like 25 Catholic Rites, but several that would seem like they are but are not…
 
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