Could abortion ever be banned?

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I know the issue seems hopeless. But we are Catholics; we should never lose hope:p

Statistics today we have (in US obviously),

26% - Permitted in all cases

16% - Permitted, but subject to greater restrictions than it is now

34% - Only in cases such as rape, incest, or to save the woman’s life

16% - Only permitted to save the woman’s life

4% - Never (yet 24% of the population is Catholic :()

4% - Unsure

I’m thinking, we hear often, of pro-lifers counter attacking the infant killers but we never here of anyone trying to ban this horrific law. Why is it that we pro-life seem always to be on the defensive instead of the offensive. If we strengthen our voice I’m sure we could easily reach 50% of the population at least. We should really do something other than praying. Millions of lives are being lost yearly. 😦

God help the innocent victims.
 
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AnimalGal said:
No.
Women will never allow that to happen.
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Oh? Infanticide was once legal in Rome, and I’m sure somebody said something like “No. Men will never allow that to happen.”

Fortunately, reason always overcomes feelings and fads. Eventually women (and men) will assent to reason and abolish abortion.
 
I tend to fall on the pessimistic side on this one issue.

I don’t think it’ll be banned, it seems unlikely. I dearly hope it will be though.
 
The Supreme Court is one vote away from sending this back to the states. Yes, it can happen and it BETTER happen.

Put it this way, we either ban abortion or God will do it for us!
 
irishpatrick said:
The Supreme Court is one vote away from sending this back to the states. Yes, it can happen and it BETTER happen.

Put it this way, we either ban abortion or God will do it for us!
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it will be sent back to the states. once that happens, it will be severely restricted and banned in some states. that will result in a reduction, maybe a substantial reduction, in the number of abortions.
 
Sawl said:
I know the issue seems hopeless. But we are Catholics; we should never lose hope:p

Statistics today we have (in US obviously),

26% - Permitted in all cases

16% - Permitted, but subject to greater restrictions than it is now

34% - Only in cases such as rape, incest, or to save the woman’s life

16% - Only permitted to save the woman’s life

4% - Never (yet 24% of the population is Catholic :()

4% - Unsure

I’m thinking, we hear often, of pro-lifers counter attacking the infant killers but we never here of anyone trying to ban this horrific law. Why is it that we pro-life seem always to be on the defensive instead of the offensive. If we strengthen our voice I’m sure we could easily reach 50% of the population at least. **We should really do something other than praying. Millions of lives are being lost yearly. 😦 **God help the innocent victims.
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My dear friend in Christ,

May I humbly suggest you GOOGLE “Priest For Life”? There is a lot more than “just” [poor word to use] praying going on. Prayer “can MOVE Mountain’s!”

Become politically active and VOTE the KILLERS out of office.

FYI: For the past three Presidential Elections MORE THAN 50% of CATHOLICS voted for the baby killers!:eek: Do something about it!

Love and prayers,
 
Well, just look at your own statistics:
26% - Permitted in all cases
16% - Permitted, but subject to greater restrictions than it is now
34% - Only in cases such as rape, incest, or to save the woman’s life
16% - Only permitted to save the woman’s life
4% - Never (yet 24% of the population is Catholic )
4% - Unsure

I don’t think it will ever be completely banned. I think it will always be around in the case of rape, incest and “to save the woman’s life”. But it might be restricted.

It doesn’t really matter really, it’s been around long enough that if it’s ever banned, it will just be available illegally either by someone who wants to make money and/or by someone who is sympathetic towards women’s rights. It will always be around, one way or another. As long as there is a market for it, someone will make it available just like anything else that’s been banned.
 
captainmike said:
it will be sent back to the states. once that happens, it will be severely restricted and banned in some states. that will result in a reduction, maybe a substantial reduction, in the number of abortions.
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Yes, I believe that over time it will be down to less than 1% of the current numbers.
 
Try to put yourself in the place of a slave or abolitionist in the year 1820, I would imagine that they would’ve felt pretty hopeless at times. However, we all know that eventually justice prevailed. I think that the best we can hope for in the near future is an overturning of Roe V. Wade and the returning of the issue to the states. Then I think we’ll see a large reduction of abortions and some justice finally. Of course there will still be some states with legal abortion, but its easier to deal with individual states and change their laws than it is to deal with the federal government laws. Of course all of this depends on Catholics voting for pro-life candidates who are really pro-life. As we can see so many times on this forum, too many catholics vote for candidates that they say are pro-life but who are effectively pro-abortion when it counts: when it comes down to either being pro-life or being loyal Democrats and supporting Reid, Pelosi, Obama, et al, they choose party loyalty. And these catholic Democrat voters rationalize their support for the pro-abortion Democrat party by saying things like, “the Republicans had the majority for years and they didn’t stop abortion”, and “I only vote for pro-life Democrats” etc. The ability to make some progress on abortion depends on these catholic Democrats getting over their hatred of Republicans and start voting as if they really hate abortion. Until then, we’ll get presidents like Obama who give us pro-abortion justices and continued legal abortion on demand.

Ishii
 
I have hope that society will grow a set and turn back the clock on abortion.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw it in the next 20 years or so.

Of course, people argue that abortion has been legal almost 40 years and people are comfortable with the status quo. The reality is that 40 years is not a long time in the grand scheme of things. Slavery has been around for thousands of years, and while I don’t think abortion will remain legal for thousands of years, I think eventually numbers will win.

The pro-choicers are aborting future pro-choicers. And while having a parent of a certain beleif will not ensure that child has that belief, it is logical to assume that the shift in society’s mindset is both due to lack of pro-choicers breeding, and the technological advances that have given us a window into the womb.

Whether its banned or not is really moot, abortion will still continue, as does all other illegal activies. Though, it will vastly, vastly drop the numbers.
 
vera_dicere said:
I have hope that society will grow a set and turn back the clock on abortion.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw it in the next 20 years or so.

Of course, people argue that abortion has been legal almost 40 years and people are comfortable with the status quo. The reality is that 40 years is not a long time in the grand scheme of things. Slavery has been around for thousands of years, and while I don’t think abortion will remain legal for thousands of years, I think eventually numbers will win.

The pro-choicers are aborting future pro-choicers. And while having a parent of a certain beleif will not ensure that child has that belief, it is logical to assume that the shift in society’s mindset is both due to lack of pro-choicers breeding, and the technological advances that have given us a window into the womb.

Whether its banned or not is really moot, abortion will still continue, as does all other illegal activies. Though, it will vastly, vastly drop the numbers.
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Victory by attrition? Good point.
 
AnimalGal said:
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Women will never allow that to happen.
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You mean some women AND men won’t let that happen. I am a woman and I am Pro-life in all cases. Will abortion be banned? I don’t know. Will the Pro-life movment win in the end? YES. But we don’t know how or when. God will win in the end, but that doesn’t mean it will be banned. Remember that evey women that says no to abortion is saving a life. That means God works in other ways not only through the legal system. By the way I want to be a lawyer so I do hope it is banned, but God works in his own way. We can’t force him to do anything. Keep praying though! Works and prayer!

By the way, in Canada, where I live, abortion is legal in all provinces. We tend to get influenced by the States. If abortion is banned in the States then this is one situation where I think we should be influenced. 👍

Let us pray to St. Isaac Jogues and John de Brébeuf and Companions, patron saints of North America
 
“Roe,” the plaintiff and victor in Roe v. Wade, asked the Supreme Court to overturn their decision. She said flatly that the Supreme Court made a mistake. She also says that she was used by her attorneys to pursue a political agenda. “Roe” filed her motion based on changes in the law and changes in factual conditions. She said that the decision that the Supreme Court handed down in 1973 is “no longer just.”

The days of Roe vs. Wade are numbered. Roe vs. Wade is not worth the paper that it is written on. The decision of the Supreme Court violates natural law. The legal veil that covers abortion was mistakenly recognized by the Supreme Court, and the decision will be overturned. The reason is simple. The Constitution and American history guarantee equal dignity to all people. The names differ, but at various times in our history people were deprived of their rights. The Supreme Court gave legal cover to these acts of violence; however, the Supreme Court always reversed itself. The most famous case that comes to mind is the Dred Scott decision, the slaveholder’s right to property.

There is no precedent on abortion in the law. However, that is not unusual. The Supreme Court has reversed itself many times, especially when new evidence is brought forth that someone’s rights, not previously recognized, were violated.
 
It is not women who will try to stop abortion from being banned. It will be men.

Despite what some women think, abortion is really not for them, it is for men. Women have been tricked into thinking abortion is their tool to help with so-called unwanted pregnancies and that is** utter nonsense**. Abortion, birth control and contraceptives in general, are all tools for men to be able to have as much sex, with as many women as they want, without any temporal consequences. Those “tools” take the gift of sexuality away from women and makes them just a sex-toy for men to use as they see fit. It is incredibly sad that so many women do not see or understand that reality.

Women often do not understand that a man’s basic nature is to want a lot of sex and a lot of variety of women within that desire for sex. That is their basic nature. Authentic Christian men realize that their call is to fight that nature and to remain completely faithful to their wives, and chaste throughout their lives. Yet, even for Christian men, their basic nature is as I described, so all of these so-called reproductive rights and tools for women, are really tools for men. Those tools allow men to chase their basic natures without temporal consequences, no marriage is required, no babies, no commitments, no ties of any kind.

The even more profoundly sad reality is that in the history of humanity men have never had it as sexually easy as they do today; they have never had a time in history during which they could have sex with hundreds of women and suffer zero temporal consequences and be required to next to nothing to gain those sexual advances. Those “tools” have been sold to women as a means to let women be just like men, to be just as sexually active and carefree as men, yet a woman’s nature does not work that way and millions of women have learned the hard way that the generation of free sex is not all that it was sold to be.

Abortion is ultimately for men…not women, and men will fight to keep it legal so that they can remain free of any temporal consequences and free of any expectations and standards for the way they should live.

With that said, I believe one day we will get rid of legal abortions, or God will do it for us.
 
ishii said:
Try to put yourself in the place of a slave or abolitionist in the year 1820, I would imagine that they would’ve felt pretty hopeless at times. However, we all know that eventually justice prevailed. I think that the best we can hope for in the near future is an overturning of Roe V. Wade and the returning of the issue to the states.
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The slavery issue was eventually settled by a war. Besides that, slavery was abolished in some states, but it was found that abolition only succeeded when slaves accounted for less than around 10% of the population. I believe that until the number of people who feel they have a right to get abortions reach similarly low numbers, there will be little progress on the abortion issue. Until their representation is small enough, they will be able to defeat even a pro-life majority by claiming minority rights.
 
GhostOfReason said:
The slavery issue was eventually settled by a war. Besides that, slavery was abolished in some states, but it was found that abolition only succeeded when slaves accounted for less than around 10% of the population. I believe that until the number of people who feel they have a right to get abortions reach similarly low numbers, there will be little progress on the abortion issue. Until their representation is small enough, they will be able to defeat even a pro-life majority by claiming minority rights.
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Yes, but some how, slavery was abolished right? We don’t know what will happen in terms of legality, however I am confident in the end pro-life will win. How? When? I don’t know, but as Catholics we believe life will win. Let’s hope it doesn’t go to war though. That would be very uncharitable;)
 
Sawl said:
I know the issue seems hopeless. But we are Catholics; we should never lose hope:p

Statistics today we have (in US obviously),

26% - Permitted in all cases

16% - Permitted, but subject to greater restrictions than it is now

34% - Only in cases such as rape, incest, or to save the woman’s life

16% - Only permitted to save the woman’s life

4% - Never (yet 24% of the population is Catholic :()

4% - Unsure

I’m thinking, we hear often, of pro-lifers counter attacking the infant killers but we never here of anyone trying to ban this horrific law. Why is it that we pro-life seem always to be on the defensive instead of the offensive. If we strengthen our voice I’m sure we could easily reach 50% of the population at least. We should really do something other than praying. Millions of lives are being lost yearly. 😦

God help the innocent victims.
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Hopefully and God-willing. Never give up hope. EVER. This is a spiritual battle.
 
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