Could Muhammad of been a prophet?

[Monkey1976]

You’re assuming that the primary purpose was to spread Islam. The evidence points to the initial main purpose of uniting the warring tribes of Arabia into one nation (ummah). The goal was less to spread the word of Al-Lah than to create a spirit of respect and cooperation among all the tribes to form an ummah. When Jews and Christians became part of the Islamic Empire they became part of the ummah but remained Jews and Christians if they so choosed. The only ones persecuted were those that opposed the polity of the empire.

Non-Muslims were viewed as brothers and sisters in terms of all being children of Adam. The Muslim Ummah is responsible for upholding the religion and therefore benefiting the community regardless whether the community is Muslim or non-Muslim.

And this is why areas like north Africa and the Near East which were so strongly Christian prior to the rise of Islam are still so today, and how their beautiful churches like the Hagia Sofia were left entirely unmolested! Wait…

 

[nmgauss]

And this is why areas like north Africa and the Near East which were so strongly Christian prior to the rise of Islam are still so today, and how their beautiful churches like the Hagia Sofia were left entirely unmolested! Wait…

When the ummah in a region became a mixture of pagans, Muslims, Christians, and Jews, the powers that be were Muslims. A member of this class had privileges and status that were missing among the non-Muslims, That was a powerful stimulus for people to convert to Islam.

It is accepted that Muslims did not force anybody to become Muslim, but privileges denied to the non-Muslims made it clear that conversion was advantageous.

 

[Monkey1976]

When the ummah in a region became a mixture of pagans, Muslims, Christians, and Jews, the powers that be were Muslims. A member of this class had privileges and status that were missing among the non-Muslims, That was a powerful stimulus for people to convert to Islam.

Among these “privileges” was the actual practice one’s religion, freedom from being charged with blasphemy for saying that God has a Son (who is also God), and - for women - freedom from having to share one’s husband while living under the threat of arbitrary divorce.

It is accepted that Muslims did not force anybody to become Muslim, but privileges denied to the non-Muslims made it clear that conversion was advantageous.

When those privileges include breathing, conversion could indeed be seen as advantageous.

When a Catholic is as faithful as possible to the teachings of the Church, we get Mother Teresa. When a Muslim is as faithful as possible to the words of the Koran, what do we get? I’ll give you a hint: It isn’t Mother Teresa.

 

[vera_dicere]

He was a man deceived by the Devil into blaspheming the one true God and denying the incarnation of Christ.

He also apparently had some kind of epilepsy and mental health concerns.

I have no doubt he beleived he saw an angel and heard God or whatever, but I think he was just hallunicating.

So yeah, not a prophet. Just an unwell man who said some things that became very popular.

 

[kimg901]

He also apparently had some kind of epilepsy and mental health concerns.

I have no doubt he beleived he saw an angel and heard God or whatever, but I think he was just hallunicating.

So yeah, not a prophet. Just an unwell man who said some things that became very popular.

I will disagree with you and say he had no illness. He just didnt like what was being preached and seen that others had a religion so why not start his own. And to me Gabriel must be smoking some good clouds because he told Mary one thing now tells muhammed another and who knows who else he came to and said things.

 

[Tom22]

I don’t think one can truly be a Jew, Christian, or Muslim if he or she rejects Muhammad, for Muhammad fills the same role as the messengers before him, and the message and teachings Muhammad brought are the same as the message and teachings of Moses and Jesus that Judaism and Christianity were originally founded on. Being a Jew, Christian, or a Muslim are originally/ultimately based on the same truth. if you reject this truth and the one who brings it, you therefore reject Judaism, Christianity and Islam because they are all originally based on and derived from that truth.

Could it be that Christians, by deifying him, also reject Jesus as prophet and messenger somewhat along the lines of Matthew 13: 53-57 **When Jesus had finished these parables, he moved on from there. Coming to his hometown, he began teaching the people in their synagogue, and they were amazed. “Where did this man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers?” they asked."Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Aren’t all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?” And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town and in his own home.” **

These people rejected Jesus because they saw him as a lowly ‘carpenter’s son’ and not a respectable rabbi or from among the priestly class. I have heard Christians say that it was not so important what Jesus said and did while walking on earth, but rather what is important is what they believe he did on the cross. In contrast, the disciples recognized full well the importance of Jesus’ teachings and set as a criteria for Judas’ replacement in Acts 1:21-22 **Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus was living among us, beginning from John’s baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us… **Note that Paul could not have known what Jesus taught his disciples, but Christians fully accept what Paul claims to have received as a revelation from God. Consequently, they unwittingly accept Paul and reject Jesus as their prophet who taught them what to believe as the cornerstone for their religion.

 

[dronald]

I don’t think one can truly be a Jew, Christian, or Muslim if he or she rejects Muhammad, for Muhammad fills the same role as the messengers before him, and the message and teachings Muhammad brought are the same as the message and teachings of Moses and Jesus that Judaism and Christianity were originally founded on.

If you read the New Testament you will not find one passage about Muhammad, so this is completely false. I’ll await your reply on this because I’ve read all the Islamic websites that state Muhammad is found in the NT, and all of them fall flat. Hard.

Could it be that Christians, by deifying him, also reject Jesus as prophet and messenger somewhat along the lines of Matthew 13: 53-57 When Jesus had finished these parables, he moved on from there. Coming to his hometown, he began teaching the people in their synagogue, and they were amazed. “Where did this man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers?” they asked."Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Aren’t all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?” And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town and in his own home.”

Jesus most certainly was a Prophet and a messenger. You believe these things because the Koran tells you so, and so does the Bible. You are quick to say, “The Bible says that Jesus was a Prophet.” But you’re afraid of passages such as Matthew 17:5 *While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”
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And quickly dismiss passages such as this as, “corrupt.”

These people rejected Jesus because they saw him as a lowly ‘carpenter’s son’ and not a respectable rabbi or from among the priestly class. I have heard Christians say that it was not so important what Jesus said and did while walking on earth, but rather what is important is what they believe he did on the cross. In contrast, the disciples recognized full well the importance of Jesus’ teachings and set as a criteria for Judas’ replacement in Acts 1:21-22 **Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus was living among us, beginning from John’s baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us… **Note that Paul could not have known what Jesus taught his disciples, but Christians fully accept what Paul claims to have received as a revelation from God. Consequently, they unwittingly accept Paul and reject Jesus as their prophet who taught them what to believe as the cornerstone for their religion.

Paul, in all his letters explains how close he was with the disciples. Take Luke the historian and doctor for example "Colossians4:14 Our dear friend Luke, the doctor, and Demas send greetings.

2 timothy 4:11 Only Luke is with me. Get Mark and bring him with you, because he is helpful to me in my ministry.

Luke of course wrote the account of Paul in the Acts, and he wrote the Gospel of Luke. They were all friends.

I can give you more evidence that the Apostles were very closely involved with Jesus’s early ministry which directly contradicts Surah 3:52But when Jesus felt [persistence in] disbelief from them, he said, “Who are my supporters for [the cause of] Allah ?” The disciples said," We are supporters for Allah . We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims [submitting to Him].

I’ll await your response and continue to give you evidence after you have addressed my points.

 

[Tom22]

If you read the New Testament you will not find one passage about Muhammad, so this is completely false. I’ll await your reply on this because I’ve read all the Islamic websites that state Muhammad is found in the NT, and all of them fall flat. Hard.

“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.”

The Christians say that this prophecy refers to Jesus because Jesus was like Moses . Moses was a Jew, as well as Jesuswas a Jew. Moses was a Prophet and Jesus was also a Prophet.

If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after Moses such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. will fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth: It is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I go, I will send him unto you. …
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from himself; but what things soever he shall hear, [these] shall he speak: and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come.
Jo 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall take of mine, and shall declare [it] unto you.

According to Christianity, when did the Holy Spirit ever speak to humans? If the Holy Spirit is God, then why would He ‘not speak from himself; but what things so ever he shall hear’. Would not God speak ‘from Himself’ and not what He heard from another?

This passage can easily be interpreted to prophesy the coming of Prophet Muhammad if one has eyes to see and ears to hear. …

My interpretation of the verses in Deuteronomy are that they in fact were referring to Prophet Muhammad. I further interpret the ‘Comforter’ that Jesus refers to in the gospels to prophesy the coming of Prophet Muhammad. Of course, Christians interpret these to refer to the Holy Spirit, the third Person of the Trinity, but, again, when did the Holy Spirit ever speak words heard from another?

You are quick to say, “The Bible says that Jesus was a Prophet.” But you’re afraid of passages such as Matthew 17:5 *While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”
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And quickly dismiss passages such as this as, “corrupt.”

If Jesus was God in human flesh, why would he pray to another outside of himself, “My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me”? Does that not illustrate clear as day that Jesus was not his own God, but Another One was?

Paul, in all his letters explains how close he was with the disciples. Take Luke the historian and doctor for example "Colossians4:14 Our dear friend Luke, the doctor, and Demas send greetings.

2 timothy 4:11 Only Luke is with me. Get Mark and bring him with you, because he is helpful to me in my ministry.

Luke of course wrote the account of Paul in the Acts, and he wrote the Gospel of Luke. They were all friends.

I can give you more evidence that the Apostles were very closely involved with Jesus’s early ministry which directly contradicts Surah 3:52But when Jesus felt [persistence in] disbelief from them, he said, “Who are my supporters for [the cause of] Allah ?” The disciples said," We are supporters for Allah . We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims [submitting to Him].

I’ll await your response and continue to give you evidence after you have addressed my points.

You accept on faith that the vision Saul had on the road to Damascus was truly a revelation of Jesus to him. I rather see that Paul was a false prophet and a wolf in sheep’s clothing in the manner of Matthew 7:15. There are multiple warnings against false prophets as reported from Jesus and in the OT such as “Her prophets plastered them with untempered mortar, seeing false visions, and divining lies for them, saying, ‘Thus says the Lord God,’ when the Lord had not spoken.” Ezekiel 22:28

Where you see harmony, I see a bitter dispute and rivalry most evidently between Paul on the one hand and James and Peter on the other. I am sure that my understanding of the first 2 chapters of Galatians is vastly different from yours. This portion of the Bible really jumped out at me when I read it again recently.

Galatians 1:11-12 tells me as plain as day that Paul claimed to have received a direct revelation from Jesus after his ascension and then in verse 16 he switches it to God revealed His son to him. Christians accept Paul (either knowingly or unknowingly) as their prophet in the same manner that Muslims accept Muhammad as their prophet. Paul was the person most responsible for bringing ‘Christianity’ to the Gentiles.

I ask you to ponder over the significance of Acts 1:21-22 in light of Paul not being at all qualified according to those criteria or even having listened to one of Jesus’ sermons, witnessed a single miracle, or even met him once while he walked on earth.

 

[jakasaki]

I wish I had a dollar every time this stuff was posted on CAF…

 

[TheSufi]

If you read the New Testament you will not find one passage about Muhammad, so this is completely false. I’ll await your reply on this because I’ve read all the Islamic websites that state Muhammad is found in the NT, and all of them fall flat. Hard.

Just because Prophet Muhammad doesn’t fit the Christian narrative (How Christian understand the bible), doesn’t mean he isn’t prophesied in it.

Jesus doesn’t fit the Jewish narrative (how they (Jews) understand the old testament), yet me and you both believe Jesus to be from God.

That isn’t a proof in and of itself.

 

[jakasaki]

“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.”

The Christians say that this prophecy refers to Jesus because Jesus was like Moses . Moses was a Jew, as well as Jesuswas a Jew. Moses was a Prophet and Jesus was also a Prophet.

If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after Moses such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. will fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth: It is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I go, I will send him unto you. …
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from himself; but what things soever he shall hear, [these] shall he speak: and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come.
Jo 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall take of mine, and shall declare [it] unto you.

According to Christianity, when did the Holy Spirit ever speak to humans? If the Holy Spirit is God, then why would He ‘not speak from himself; but what things so ever he shall hear’. Would not God speak ‘from Himself’ and not what He heard from another?

This passage can easily be interpreted to prophesy the coming of Prophet Muhammad if one has eyes to see and ears to hear. …

My interpretation of the verses in Deuteronomy are that they in fact were referring to Prophet Muhammad. I further interpret the ‘Comforter’ that Jesus refers to in the gospels to prophesy the coming of Prophet Muhammad. Of course, Christians interpret these to refer to the Holy Spirit, the third Person of the Trinity, but, again, when did the Holy Spirit ever speak words heard from another?

If Jesus was God in human flesh, why would he pray to another outside of himself, “My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me”? Does that not illustrate clear as day that Jesus was not his own God, but Another One was?

You accept on faith that the vision Saul had on the road to Damascus was truly a revelation of Jesus to him. I rather see that Paul was a false prophet and a wolf in sheep’s clothing in the manner of Matthew 7:15. There are multiple warnings against false prophets as reported from Jesus and in the OT such as “Her prophets plastered them with untempered mortar, seeing false visions, and divining lies for them, saying, ‘Thus says the Lord God,’ when the Lord had not spoken.” Ezekiel 22:28

Where you see harmony, I see a bitter dispute and rivalry most evidently between Paul on the one hand and James and Peter on the other. I am sure that my understanding of the first 2 chapters of Galatians is vastly different from yours. This portion of the Bible really jumped out at me when I read it again recently.

Galatians 1:11-12 tells me as plain as day that Paul claimed to have received a direct revelation from Jesus after his ascension and then in verse 16 he switches it to God revealed His son to him. Christians accept Paul (either knowingly or unknowingly) as their prophet in the same manner that Muslims accept Muhammad as their prophet. Paul was the person most responsible for bringing ‘Christianity’ to the Gentiles.

I ask you to ponder over the significance of Acts 1:21-22 in light of Paul not being at all qualified according to those criteria or even having listened to one of Jesus’ sermons, witnessed a single miracle, or even met him once while he walked on earth.

If you are going to plagiarize from the islamicboard.com - you need to get them credit for your copy/paste work and site your source.

 

[jakasaki]

For the life of me,

Why can’t Islam stand on it’s own

 

[Augustine3]

I don’t think one can truly be a Jew, Christian, or Muslim if he or she rejects Muhammad, for Muhammad fills the same role as the messengers before him, and the message and teachings Muhammad brought are the same as the message and teachings of Moses and Jesus that Judaism and Christianity were originally founded on. Being a Jew, Christian, or a Muslim are originally/ultimately based on the same truth. if you reject this truth and the one who brings it, you therefore reject Judaism, Christianity and Islam because they are all originally based on and derived from that truth.

Jesus said about himself: “they will hand him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and scourged and crucified, and he will be raised on the third day” – Matthew 20:19

The Quran says: “And [for] their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah .” And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them” – Surah 4:157

Here among many others is a clear contradiction and please don’t tell us the bible has been corrupt if you’re not prepared to present the appropriate proof.

I don’t think one can truly be a Jew, Christian, or Muslim if he or she rejects Muhammad

“But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach (to you) a gospel other than the one that we preached to you, let that one be accursed!” – Galatians 1:8

You’re quite wrong. Christians should and must reject the teachings of Muhammad. We should help Muslims come to know the truth. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. I hope in time you come to see that my friend.

Salam.

 

[bcuster]

Robert Spencer’s book, The Truth about Muhammad, was very helpful in clarifying this point for me. Muhammad discounts the death and resurrection of Jesus, he misquotes both Hebrew and Christian Scriptures. In simple terms, he is a liar. God does not send liars.

 

[NoSurrender]

Is it possible that Muhammad was a prophet of God? Can the belief in Jesus as our savoir and Muhammad as a prophet coincide? I don’t know much about Islam, but I’m quite curious about it.

No Absolutely Not.

 

[MartinJordan]

Robert Spencer’s book, The Truth about Muhammad, was very helpful in clarifying this point for me. Muhammad discounts the death and resurrection of Jesus, he misquotes both Hebrew and Christian Scriptures. In simple terms, he is a liar. God does not send liars.

Bcuster, I don’t know much about Spencer but did he say Mohammed was a liar or rather more to being mistaken and ignorant of Scriptures? Just asking to clarify if Spencer actually used the word “liar”?

MJ

 

[NoSurrender]

For the life of me,

Why can’t Islam stand on it’s own

Yes Exactly.

 

[NoSurrender]

Just because Prophet Muhammad doesn’t fit the Christian narrative (How Christian understand the bible), doesn’t mean he isn’t prophesied in it.

Jesus doesn’t fit the Jewish narrative (how they (Jews) understand the old testament), yet me and you both believe Jesus to be from God.

That isn’t a proof in and of itself.

mumhad is in the bible although the bible warns against many other false prophets, nothing special about that one am afraid.
Just another tree in a forest.

 

[dronald]

“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.”

The Christians say that this prophecy refers to Jesus because Jesus was like Moses . Moses was a Jew, as well as Jesuswas a Jew. Moses was a Prophet and Jesus was also a Prophet.

If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after Moses such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. will fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets.

I often find it ironic that Muslims quote this passage, even though it was quoted by Peter 600 years before Muhammad existed and when we read further into what Peter said, we find that all those men that you named were also a fulfillment of such a Prophecy. Let’s read shall we?:

19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, 20 and that he may send the Messiah, who has been appointed for you—even Jesus. 21 Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets. 22** For Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you.** 23 Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely cut off from their people.’[a]

24 “Indeed, beginning with Samuel, all the prophets who have spoken have foretold these days. 25 And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, ‘Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be blessed.’** 26 When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways.”

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth: It is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I go, I will send him unto you

. …
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from himself; but what things soever he shall hear, [these] shall he speak: and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come.
Jo 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall take of mine, and shall declare [it] unto you.
Wonderful! We’re making some awesome progress because you have now admitted that Jesus will send the Comforter. Muslims reject that Jesus could have sent the Comforter because Jesus is not God according them, therefore you have officially stated your position that you believe Jesus sends the Comforter. Awesome

…Unless you believe that Jesus sent Muhammad, because Muslims don’t believe that?

According to Christianity, when did the Holy Spirit ever speak to humans? If the Holy Spirit is God, then why would He ‘not speak from himself; but what things so ever he shall hear’. Would not God speak ‘from Himself’ and not what He heard from another?

This passage can easily be interpreted to prophesy the coming of Prophet Muhammad if one has eyes to see and ears to hear. …

My interpretation of the verses in Deuteronomy are that they in fact were referring to Prophet Muhammad. I further interpret the ‘Comforter’ that Jesus refers to in the gospels to prophesy the coming of Prophet Muhammad. Of course, Christians interpret these to refer to the Holy Spirit, the third Person of the Trinity, but, again, when did the Holy Spirit ever speak words heard from another?

It’s explained right in the passages that you skipped over…

8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: 9** about sin, because people do not believe in me; **10 about righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; 11 and about judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.

12 “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”

Break down the entire chapter and explain to me how it has anything to do with Muhammad. You cannot pick and choose passages, skipping over some and leaving some out. You need to explain the entire chapter to support your position.**

 

[dronald]

If Jesus was God in human flesh, why would he pray to another outside of himself, “My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me”? Does that not illustrate clear as day that Jesus was not his own God, but Another One was?

For one, Jesus was quoting David. And two, you’re a Muslim, you don’t even believe that He said this because according to Islam, Jesus was never on the cross. Look what happens immediately after:

Mark 15:33 At noon, darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon. 34 And at three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).**

35 When some of those standing near heard this, they said, “Listen, he’s calling Elijah.”

36 Someone ran, filled a sponge with wine vinegar, put it on a staff, and offered it to Jesus to drink. “Now leave him alone. Let’s see if Elijah comes to take him down,” he said.

37 With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last.

Notice how God never took Jesus off the cross. Even the Jews were wondering if Elijah would come and save Him. No such thing happened, He breathed His last and died after saying the words you as a Muslim shouldn’t even believe He said.

You accept on faith that the vision Saul had on the road to Damascus was truly a revelation of Jesus to him. I rather see that Paul was a false prophet and a wolf in sheep’s clothing in the manner of Matthew 7:15. There are multiple warnings against false prophets as reported from Jesus and in the OT such as “Her prophets plastered them with untempered mortar, seeing false visions, and divining lies for them, saying, ‘Thus says the Lord God,’ when the Lord had not spoken.” Ezekiel 22:28

So you accept Matthew 7 as truth? Wonderful, let’s dig deeper: 15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17** Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.**

Hm, let’s see if Paul was such a wolf, producing bad fruit:

2 corin 24 Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. 25 Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was pelted with stones, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, 26 I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my fellow Jews, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false believers. 27 I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked. 28 Besides everything else, I face daily the pressure of my concern for all the churches. 29 Who is weak, and I do not feel weak? Who is led into sin, and I do not inwardly burn?

30 If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness. 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, who is to be praised forever, knows that I am not lying.

Also, what did Paul preach? Love. 1corin 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8 Love never fails.​

Now, since you accept chapter 7, let’s dig deeper into what else Jesus said: 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22** Many will say to me on that day, **‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Wow, many will say to Jesus on that day? Why Jesus?

Anyways, I’ll await your reply.**