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daler
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Daler, I think you are proselytizing.
Forgive me If I seem to be judgmental;just my thoughts only
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rinnie
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Nope. Read the bible Jesus tells us whoever tell a different gospel is not of the One True God.
Then use common sense, and think why would God send his only Son to die for us, and then someone else to teach opposite from what Jesus taught.
Especially when Jesus warned us false prophets would come and teach and preach in his name.
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rinnie
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Does not matter. Rather he teaches some truth does not make one a Prophet from God.
And why would God send a Prophet to teach against the truth of Jesus Christ. Would make no sense.
Also I am a little confused. How can a Christian faith not believe in the Trinity? Please explain. thanks/
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rinnie
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Here is why I believe it happened.
Muhammad had the word of God but interpretateed it the best he could.
If I am not mistaken Muhammad could not even read.
It is said he listened to the true word at times and then tried to teach the word. And was mocked by many Monks because he did not even know the true word.
But the bottom line is he tried to teach and preach what he remembered and HE was a Self proclaimed Prophet.
Now say you are in a community where there is no bible, you can’t read, etc and someone comes and says they are a Prophet of God and teach the way they see things. You are very ignorant to the true word of God because in your village no teaching was ever taught.
There you got it. Thats why many were misled. Its all they knew. Then time goes on, They believe they had the truth and so on.
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rinnie
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From being honest and a Christian all of my life I can see where you have a Problem with when the word becomes flesh.
God is 3 Persons in One Being.
He is the Father.
The Son
and the Holy Spirit.
It is indeed a true mystery of God that he has not quite revealed to even us.
I can truly understand you not understanding the mystery because as Christians we struggle to explain it. Honestly we can’t.
Sometimes all we can say is its the truth. Its takes alot of faith and thinking.
Here is my personal thinking.
God revealed himself to man in the Old Testament as the WORD.
God revealed himself to Man in the N.T. as Man. Jesus Christ.
God reveals himself to us today through the Church and our heart through the Holy Spirit;
You must ask yourself is it POSSIBLE for God to be many things. In your heart you must answer yes. God can be whoever whatever he chooses.
Truly the Trinity is only ways the One True God choose to reveal himself to Man.
As I can say today I know God as the word given to me through the Church.
I know Jesus given to me through the Eucharist.
And I know the Holy Spirit in my heart.
All stem to him and the Church being One. Its quite a riddle on the brain. I will give you that. But it is through his Holy Spirit and much Grace given to you by him through his Holy Spirit that you can accept it.
Pray to the One True God for Grace. That is the best advice anyone can every give you.
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daler
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There is a way of analogy which works quite well in understanding this relationship.
If we can allow for three symbols to be used from the physical world to try and comprehend this spiritual reality, they can be the physical sun, which will represent as a symbol “God”, the rays of that sun, which will represent the “Holy Spirit”, and a perfectly polished Mirror, which will represent the One Whom He sends to us to reflect His Light.
The sun does not descend into the mirror, but rather the mirror reflects those rays to us. In the Person of Jesus, we see one like ourselves; His physical body is composed of elements, subject to human limitations, such as the need to eat, breath, etc. We can be said to be lesser mirrors, which if polished and cleaned free of dirt and worldly desires, capable of reflecting a portion of this light which He sheds upon us.
In this way, we can say that this Mirror manifests the Light of God on earth, for to us, It is the Source of that Light. Jesus said, “These are not My words, but Him that sent Me.”
So the Holy Spirit originates with God, and comes to us through the Mouthpiece of God, through His words.
At the same time, the Mirror can say that the Sun is greater than Itself, as Jesus said, “My Father is greater than I”
So this Mirror is the perfect reflector of the attributes and the presence of God to humanity. Whenever God sends to us a Perfect Mirror, it is the means by which His will is shown to us. We can say that the Knowledge of God is given to us through the Words of His Manifestation, the Dawning Point of the Sun of Reality.
This is the Baha’i explanation.
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nmgauss
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"Views on sexuality
For Augustine, the evil of sexual immorality was not in the sexual act itself, but rather in the emotions that typically accompany it. In **On Christian Doctrine **Augustine contrasts love, which is enjoyment on account of God, and lust, which is not on account of God.[119] For Augustine, proper love exercises a denial of selfish pleasure and the subjugation of corporeal desire to God. He wrote that the pious virgins raped during the sack of Rome, were innocent because they did not intend to sin.[120][121]
Augustine’s view of sexual feelings as sinful affected his view of women. For example he considered a man’s erection to be sinful, though involuntary,[122] because it did not take place under his conscious control. His solution was to place controls on women to limit their ability to influence men.[123] Augustine viewed women not only as threatening to men, but also as intellectually and morally inferior.[124] He equated flesh with woman and spirit with man.[125]
He believed that the serpent approached Eve because she was less rational and lacked self-control, while Adam’s choice to eat was viewed as an act of kindness so that Eve would not be left alone.[123] Augustine believed sin entered the world because man (the spirit) did not exercise control over woman (the flesh).[126] .
According to Raming, the authority of the Decretum Gratiani, a collection of Roman Catholic canon law which prohibits women from leading, teaching, or being a witness, rests largely on the views of the early church fathers—one of the most influential being St. Augustine, the Bishop of Hippo.[127] The laws and traditions founded upon St. Augustine’s views of sexuality and women continue to exercise considerable influence over church doctrinal positions regarding the role of women in the church.[128]
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Ion
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Raming is not a Catholic theologian:
Wiki:“On 29 June 2002, Raming and six other women were ordained priests by Independent Catholic bishop Rómulo Antonio Braschi, a former Roman Catholic bishop from Argentina who left the Roman Catholic Church out of disagreement with the anti-liberation theology of the Vatican to join the Catholic Apostolic Charismatic Church of “Jesus the King”. In the media, the ordained women were called the Danube Seven because they were ordained on the Danube River near the town of Passau on the border between Germany and Austria. In 2003 Raming was excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Church”
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GaryTaylor
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This is “opinion” and not the same one I share. Where specifically does this arrive from in Augustines work?
Some are of the “opinion” Mohammed was nothing more than a psychotic killer with a total lack of compassion.
So its opinion period now?
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lesg
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No, he was a Criminal worse than Hitler, Stalin and Mao combined.
A Murderer, Slaver, Torturer and Pedophile…
A Murderer, Slaver, Torturer and Pedophile…
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nmgauss
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In the seven century CE, there were no codified laws, thus being called a murderer, slaver, torturer and pedophile for his actions is based on modern morals. According to the standards of that day, when an army conquered a people, no prisoners were taken. The conquered soldiers were killed and the women and children taken as slaves. The fact that Mohammad’s favorite wife Aisha was a young adolescent was normal for that time.
When the Abbasids became rulers of the Islamic Empire, the former rulers, Umayyads were killed. They posed a threat and were disposed of.
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ephesians4
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Obviously not, since his “prophecy” involves our Lord Jesus Christ standing on judgment day and saying He isn’t the Son of God, and that Christianity is a lie.
The only reasons to be respectful of mohammed are to do with decency, charity, love towards other people and possibly the stray attempt to worship The Lord in some way - as a prophet, well he anathematizes Christianity.
Were he merely another figure of historical interest it would be absolutely reasonable that nobody judge him according to the morality of another time, but when you set yourself up as the bearer of the infallible and timeless message of a deity, you are going to (rightly) look a bit silly and temporal centuries later when you go out on a limb about astrophysics (the sun lives in a muddy puddle) or live to the most sensual and murderous excesses of the time.
The Mohammeds, David Ickes and Joseph Smiths of this world do not compare to the real deal our Lord Jesus Christ, Whose life and example ring true now 2000 years later and will do so in another 2000, 10000 or however long we last.
The only reasons to be respectful of mohammed are to do with decency, charity, love towards other people and possibly the stray attempt to worship The Lord in some way - as a prophet, well he anathematizes Christianity.
This is one of the pitfalls for a man making up a religion where he pretends to be something he’s not, sadly.
Were he merely another figure of historical interest it would be absolutely reasonable that nobody judge him according to the morality of another time, but when you set yourself up as the bearer of the infallible and timeless message of a deity, you are going to (rightly) look a bit silly and temporal centuries later when you go out on a limb about astrophysics (the sun lives in a muddy puddle) or live to the most sensual and murderous excesses of the time.
The Mohammeds, David Ickes and Joseph Smiths of this world do not compare to the real deal our Lord Jesus Christ, Whose life and example ring true now 2000 years later and will do so in another 2000, 10000 or however long we last.
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dronald
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This is going under my, “favorite quotes of all time” list.
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Ion
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What are the differences between muslim and judaic practices/beliefs? Muslims say they are right because they were so successful converting other people…
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Porknpie
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Do Muslims believe that Jesus the Prophet taught his twelves apostles without error? In other words, if we could sit down with any of the 12 apostles, would we understand what Jesus taught and spoke?
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nmgauss
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Jews are the “Chosen People” with a long tradition and have never placed much emphasis on conversions. Even today, Jews marrying Gentiles is discouraged in some circles because it introduces non-Judaic elements into this strongly protected ethnicity and tradition. Have you seen “Fiddler on the Roof?”
For Jews, the Torah is supreme. It is worshipped as the most sacred element in the synagogue. The Torah is the Law, and by tradition, was written by Moses.
Jews place great emphasis on the history of the Israelites, which enters into their religious services.
Islam got started as an effort to unite the warring Arab tribes into a unified nation called an “ummah”. The Quran is the holy scripture and is said to have been revealed to Muhammad gradually over a period of 23 years. Muslims must follow the five principles of faith:
1.Shahadah (belief or confession of faith) (there is only one God and his name is Al-Lah)
2.Salat (worship in the form of prayer) (five times per day)
3.Sawm Ramadan (fasting during the month of Ramadan)
4.Zakat (alms or charitable giving)
5.Hajj (the pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in a lifetime.[5][6])
The fact that Islam spread over a vast area of the Middle East over a period of 100 years is due less to religion and more to political ambition of the caliphs. At first, conquered people were able to practice their own religion. However only Muslims were first class citizens. If a non-Muslim wanted the privileges of a Muslim, he converted.
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Ion
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looks like a simplified judaism…
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