Could Muhammad of been a prophet?

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What you are saying denies the most critical Biblical verse “The Father is greater than I”
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Forget those Arian analogies, but now to that above:

“The Father is greater than I”

IN OFFICE

We Christians read the Bible, the whole Bible, in light of the Bible.
We find that Jesus is God, as the Father is God, but only One God.
The Father Son & Holy Spirit are each Fully God, no greater than the
other. If you read Philippians, you will find how Jesus humbled him-
self to the Will of the Father for the Salvation of Humanity.

Now you show me where the Bible says that the Father is
more powerful than the Son, is greater IN MIGHT than the
Son, has Greater Muscles, Greater Light, Something.
Show me exactly where the Bible indicates in what
manner the Father is Greater than the Son.
 
Judas Thaddeus;11485343:
The only reason there is a Doctrine of the Trinity is because the Bible clearly gives us that information, which you obviously deny is there
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That is 100% not correct, as you know - The Muslims or Baha’i’s do not deny the Passages are there.
It is suggested there is another meaning that could unite religions and mankind. Or there is the current thought that makes other religions exclusive.
I know which one I would choose 😉 we are all free to make the choice!
God Bless Regards Tony
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I choose love and “inclusivity”

God is both of those things…

To deny these things, it denies the mystical communion of the Holy Spirit with the souls of 1.3 billion Muslims and Baha’is…
 
Forget those Arian analogies, but now to that above:

“The Father is greater than I”

IN OFFICE

We Christians read the Bible, the whole Bible, in light of the Bible.
We find that Jesus is God, as the Father is God, but only One God.
The Father Son & Holy Spirit are each Fully God, no greater than the
other. If you read Philippians, you will find how Jesus humbled him-
self to the Will of the Father for the Salvation of Humanity.

Now you show me where the Bible says that the Father is
more powerful than the Son, is greater IN MIGHT than the
Son, has Greater Muscles, Greater Light, Something.
Show me exactly where the Bible indicates in what
manner the Father is Greater than the Son.
I don’t know what “greater” means, but it certainly does NOT mean “equal”

Equal means equal
Greater means greater…

Its not very hard language unless you wish to pursue other agendas…

Something it “may” mean is that the Father is doing all the speaking, not Jesus, as has been affirmed again by the Bab, about Baha’u’llah…
 
Actually this is a reference to Baha’u’llah and Baha’u’llah affirms it.
Of course he does.

T
he government was never upon the shoulder of Jesus. In fact Jesus has NOTHING to do with government. Christianity is about the Person, Jesus Christ.

Baha’u’llah brought global governance…
First, Baha’u’llah did not do that.
Now on Jesus, Governments, and Shoulders:

Clearly this is not speaking about earthly governments or to the idea that Jesus Christ would be an earthly King, for Jesus said “My kingdom is not of this world” (John 18:36). Rather, the idea presented in the New Testament is that Jesus Christ brought the new covenant to God’s people and as such is Ruler, Sovereign, and Lord of that Kingdom. The New Testament presents God’s Kingdom as the Kingdom of grace, mercy, and salvation present now in the hearts of every believer and yet to be fulfilled in its entirety at the second coming of Christ (Matthew 26:64). The government of this Kingdom is upon the shoulders of our Lord and He rules it with all power and might (Matthew 11:27; 28:18; John 5:22). T
You see, I told you “eternity” is created. If eternity is created, then Jesus was also created, not even by the Father, by God…

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In the Beginning, the Word WAS, the Word already Existed, All things were made
by him, the Word, the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, READ JOHN 1,
it’s about Jesus as the Creator of ALL things, including Eternity.
 
Forget those Arian analogies, but now to that above:

“The Father is greater than I”

IN OFFICE

We Christians read the Bible, the whole Bible, in light of the Bible.
We find that Jesus is God, as the Father is God, but only One God.
The Father Son & Holy Spirit are each Fully God, no greater than the
other. If you read Philippians, you will find how Jesus humbled him-
self to the Will of the Father for the Salvation of Humanity.

Now you show me where the Bible says that the Father is
more powerful than the Son, is greater IN MIGHT than the
Son, has Greater Muscles, Greater Light, Something.
Show me exactly where the Bible indicates in what
manner the Father is Greater than the Son.
I spent a long time writing all the verses down re this question for my mother. After I had the list, pages of them I realized that it was a waste of time giving them too her.

If it was so apparent that I could come up with that many verses, then any thing I said would mean not a thing!

John 8:27 “They did not understand that he was telling them about his Father. 28 So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up[a] the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me. 29 The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him.” 30 Even as he spoke, many believed in him”.

Regards Tony
 
Of course he does.

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First, Baha’u’llah did not do that.
The global Baha’i community is the first “ever” example of how global governance can bring about prosperity and unity. This is based on Baha’u’llah’s teachings.

Christianity has schismed into 3000 denominations and there is no governance preventing this disunity…
Now on Jesus, Governments, and Shoulders:

Clearly this is not speaking about earthly governments or to the idea that Jesus Christ would be an earthly King, for Jesus said “My kingdom is not of this world” (John 18:36). Rather, the idea presented in the New Testament is that Jesus Christ brought the new covenant to God’s people and as such is Ruler, Sovereign, and Lord of that Kingdom. The New Testament presents God’s Kingdom as the Kingdom of grace, mercy, and salvation present now in the hearts of every believer and yet to be fulfilled in its entirety at the second coming of Christ (Matthew 26:64). The government of this Kingdom is upon the shoulders of our Lord and He rules it with all power and might (Matthew 11:27; 28:18; John 5:22). T
In the Beginning, the Word WAS, the Word already Existed, All things were made
by him, the Word, the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, READ JOHN 1,
it’s about Jesus as the Creator of ALL things, including Eternity.
Why would the “Kingdom” require governance??? :confused:

If we are “perfect” beings in the Kingdom what governance would be required?
 
That is 100% not correct, as you know - The Muslims or Baha’i’s do not deny the Passages are there.
But you are reinterpreting it to fit your won religions
instead of reading purely what the text says.
It is suggested there is another meaning that could unite religions and mankind. Or there is the current thought that makes other religions exclusive.
I’m not looking to unite humanity to get along to love and
enjoy this life only to hand it over to Hell in a hand basket.
 
In the Beginning, the Word WAS, the Word already Existed, All things were made
by him, the Word, the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, READ JOHN 1,
it’s about Jesus as the Creator of ALL things, including Eternity.
This is a reference to how the Word is a creative force. In order to create it needs to exist before creation, and it did. But God generated the Word. This is called the Primal Will of God, …
 
But you are reinterpreting it to fit your won religions
instead of reading purely what the text says.

I’m not looking to unite humanity to get along to love and
enjoy this life only to hand it over to Hell in a hand basket.
No we did not Interpret it - It came from God His Words not ours 😉

It is the Revelation of Baha’u’llah that guided mankind to all truth. Muhammad being the Seal of the Prophets, the Bab opened the Gates to fulfillment!

Regards Tony
 
I don’t know what “greater” means, but it certainly does NOT mean “equal”

Equal means equal
Greater means greater…

Its not very hard language unless you wish to pursue other agendas…

Something it “may” mean is that the Father is doing all the speaking, not Jesus, as has been affirmed again by the Bab, about Baha’u’llah…
Greater in stature, greater in strength, greater in wisdom, what is the greater?
You are defining it your won way, ignoring the rest of the Bible.

I believe I already addressed the Father Speaking thing.
 
I’m not looking to unite humanity to get along to love and
enjoy this life only to hand it over to Hell in a hand basket.
Why don’t you try it?? Its not a suggestion to unite with some loons from the local loony temple, its with 3-4 billion other people who have been equally validly touched by the Holy Spirit…

…its Godliness is undeniable…
 
Greater in stature, greater in strength, greater in wisdom, what is the greater?
You are defining it your won way, ignoring the rest of the Bible.

I believe I already addressed the Father Speaking thing.
Again, I’m not defining “greater”

I’m defining “equal”

Greater is NOT “equal”
 
I spent a long time writing all the verses down re this question for my mother. After I had the list, pages of them I realized that it was a waste of time giving them too her.

If it was so apparent that I could come up with that many verses, then any thing I said would mean not a thing!

John 8:27 “They did not understand that he was telling them about his Father. 28 So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up[a] the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me. 29 The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him.” 30 Even as he spoke, many believed in him”.

Regards Tony
Maybe your mother is seeing something that you are not.
Jesus submitted to the Father, but that does not mean that they are not the Same God.
 
The global Baha’i community is the first “ever” example of how global governance can bring about prosperity and unity. This is based on Baha’u’llah’s teachings.
You think by saying “first ‘ever’
example of how global govern-
ance can bring about prosper-
ity and unity” I should just
then be convinced.
 
You think by saying “first ‘ever’
example of how global govern-
ance can bring about prosper-
ity and unity” I should just
then be convinced.
Absolutely!

God wants ALL HIS CHILDREN to be governed on earth as One Flock, as One Fold. Its in the Old Testament on so many occasions I lost count… 🙂
 
You’re still avoiding the question. In what way “Greater?”
I have no idea friend…the fact that I cannot answer the question does not lessen the reality that …

Greater does not mean “equal”
Why are you avoiding this reality?

I assure you it does not make you a Muslim…
 
I have no idea friend…the fact that I cannot answer the question does not lessen the reality that …

Greater does not mean “equal”
Why are you avoiding this reality?

I assure you it does not make you a Muslim…
Friends,
. We accept the words of Jesus Himself that “The Father is greater than I”, right? We all accept this statement from the Lord Jesus Himself.

. and in Mark 10:18, when addressed: “Good teacher, how do I inherit eternal life”, Jesus answered him, saying: “Why callest thou Me good. There is “none” good, save God”

. and on the cross, the Lord says: “Not My will, but Thy will”

. My basic question is this: If Jesus is God, and God is greater than God, then God is also less that God, and that to me is a shell game.

. And if its not God’s will, but God’s will, then you’ve lost me.

. and when Jesus Himself says: “These are not My words, but Him that sent Me” then what I hear you saying is that “These are not God’s words, but God’s words…”

. Give me a break, my friend. In today’s political double-speak, this is acceptable. Back on the Reservation, it was called simply “White man speak with forked tongue” The Indians were considerably more honest before the white folks showed up with their swords, canon, treaties, and Bibles to subjugate the entire population and steal 99.5% of the land in Treaties, all written “In the year of our Lord, 1868…” and all the rest through the process of double-speak.

. I’m callin’ your bluff on this whole thing. I’m stickin’ with the Great Spirit, Wakan Tanka, who taught the Indians (and they learned very well), how to tell the truth. It was only the white man’s laws and devious corruption of their own double-speak and treachery showing the “heathen” who’s who, and now you try to overpower the rest of us with the same double-speak, and when we call you on it plain as day, you can’t explain it other than with three shells in your hand and the words “Trust me!”

. Well my belief in Christ is as strong as anyone elses, and I see through this stuff for what it is. Prior to encountering the Baha’i Faith, I saw through this double-speak which is a primary tactic of “confuse and conquer”. To me, it demeans Jesus Himself to an alleged partner in something He Himself, by the above stated verses, denies repeatedly.

. In the words of Dirty Harry: “Go ahead. Make my day!”

Peace and God blessings upon everyone, and Merry Christmas to all and to all a good nite. (I just pray that I don’t have nightmares about double-speak anymore. Saw far too much of that on the Rez, my friend. Its still going on… but hey! They’re heathen, right? Go tell it on the mountain, but keep your damned Treaties off of Indian property, and bring back the buffalo already. “As long as the grass shall grow and the wind shall blow and the white man will lie…”

Aho! Mitakoye Oyasin You are all my relatives. Lets get this family reunion underway. In the words of Black Elk: ““I looked ahead and saw the mountains there with rocks and forests upon them, and from the mountains flashed all colors upwards to the heavens. Then I was standing on the highest mountain of them all, and round about beneath me was the whole hoop of the world. And while I stood there I saw more than I can tell and I understood more than I saw, for I was seeing in a sacred manner the shapes of all things in the spirit and the shape of all shapes as they must live together in one being. And I saw the sacred hoop of my people was one of many sacred hoops that made one circle, wide as daylight and as starlight, and in the center grew one mighty and flowering tree to shelter all the children of one mother and one father. And I saw that it was holy.”
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PS Please watch a short clip on the Lakota Medicine Man Black Elk”

youtube.com/watch?v=FKu-Iv9DlK8
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If a so called prophet does not point to Jesus as the Son of God and God incarnate, he is not a true prophet.
 
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