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Seraphim73
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Yes indeed. It’s a central part of Orthodox and I assume Eastern Catholic monasticism.
And also Western Catholic Monasticism.Yes indeed. It’s a central part of Orthodox and I assume Eastern Catholic monasticism.
Didn’t know that. Cool.And also Western Catholic Monasticism.
See post #30 on this thread for more detailsDidn’t know that. Cool.![]()
Is this the man you are talking about?St Symeon the New Theologian argued vociferously for the practice of confessing to lay monastic spiritual fathers. The idea isn’t nearly as alien to Catholicism as some think. Of course I’d be willing to bet most of you have never heard of him before.![]()
In Hymns of Divine Love Symeon wrote that:
Listen only to the advice of your spiritual father,
answer him with humility
and, as to God, tell him your thoughts,
even to a simple meditation, without hiding anything,
do nothing without his advice
Be careful, I beg you, never to assume the debts of others when you are a debtor yourself; do not dare give absolution without having received in your heart the One who takes away the sin of the world
Interestingly enough in that last quote St Symeon was defending the practice of both confessing to lay monastics and receiving absolution from them. The case he was making was that the ability to hear confession and give absolution was a gift from God, a gift that some priests did not have and that some particularly holy lay monastics did have. From what I understand that question caused a lot of controversy during his life.Is this the man you are talking about?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symeon_the_New_Theologian#mediaviewer/File:Simeon_novyj.jpg
Some quotes of his:
Interestingly enough in that last quote St Symeon was defending the practice of both confessing to lay monastics and receiving absolution from them. The case he was making was that the ability to hear confession and give absolution was a gift from God, a gift that some priests did not have and that some particularly holy lay monastics did have. From what I understand that question caused a lot of controversy during his life.
Nothing to be confused about.
I mean, the last quote does not say that.Nothing to be confused about.![]()
Have you read the entire work from St Symeon that the quote was taken from? In that work St Symeon argues that lay monastics can hear confessions and give absolution.I mean, the last quote does not say that.
I did select the quotes based on the thread topic.
I have. Once and a while, I have had to go to another Church for confession. And there are several middle aged women at this particular parish that use the confessional as a “chat session,” for lack of better words. If they’re ahead of you in line, you’re in for a long hall. Not that I listen, because it’s unavoidable it’s so loud, but I’ve even heard laughter coming from the confessional, as if they’re exchanging jokes or something.Hi Rob,
I don’t think that I have ever seen this happen in any parish that I have been in for confession, where the line is held up for fifteen minutes because a woman is using it for counseling purposes.
Why are you listening to someone else’s confession?I have. Once and a while, I have had to go to another Church for confession. And there are several middle aged women at this particular parish that use the confessional as a “chat session,” for lack of better words. If they’re ahead of you in line, you’re in for a long hall. Not that I listen, because it’s unavoidable it’s so loud, but I’ve even heard laughter coming from the confessional, as if they’re exchanging jokes or something.Needless to say, I try my darndest to avoid going to confession there if I can avoid it!
Peace, Mark
As I clearly stated, it was unavoidable. The laughter was so loud. And I was twenty feet away from the confessional! What would you suggest I do…hold my hands over my ears?Why are you listening to someone else’s confession?![]()
It’s always avoidable. That being said I’m not sure what can be gleaned from hearing someone laugh. Unless someone could hear what was being said there’s no way they could characterize what they were doing as a counselling session. And anyway where did the idea come from that the priest isn’t supposed to give the penitent advice in the confessional?As I clearly stated, it was unavoidable. The laughter was so loud. And I was twenty feet away from the confessional! What would you suggest I do…hold my hands over my ears?
Peace, Mark
You seem to have an answer for everything…though not always the right oneIt’s always avoidable. That being said I’m not sure what can be gleaned from hearing someone laugh. Unless someone could hear what was being said there’s no way they could characterize what they were doing as a counselling session. And anyway where did the idea come from that the priest isn’t supposed to give the penitent advice in the confessional?