Could our souls be emergent?

[Bahman]

Please watch this video first. This video shows how nicely a sperm and an egg form an embryo and how embryo evolve to make a new baby. What we call a person could be emergent.

Your thought?

 

[Reepicheep]

Your meaning is not clear to me. Sperm and egg unite, a new person is conceived. Therefore?

 

[Bahman]

Your meaning is not clear to me. Sperm and egg unite, a new person is conceived. Therefore?

We simply get ride of the old picture that God create soul at the time of conception. The new picture is more natural and doesn’t need God to intervene for everything.

 

[seagal]

We simply get ride of the old picture that God create soul at the time of conception. The new picture is more natural and doesn’t need God to intervene for everything.

Do you honestly think Catholics are ignorant of the process of conception? We know where babies come from and have for quite some time now. We also know that the act of conception doesn’t produce the soul, that part of us that is created in God’s image.

 

[Crusaderbear]

Please watch this video first. This video shows how nicely a sperm and an egg form an embryo and how embryo evolve to make a new baby. What we call a person could be emergent.

Your thought?

Watch it without the music, it is simple biology, ALL members of the animal kingdom accomplish it, it remarkably similiar fashions. Only man develops intelligence and a soul. Whether you like it or not, God is involved!

 

[Pat_Albertson]

Please watch this video first. This video shows how nicely a sperm and an egg form an embryo and how embryo evolve to make a new baby. What we call a person could be emergent.

Your thought?

While that is a very interesting thought Bahman, I think it needs a lot of ‘fleshing out’. As an example: guilt and innocence, sin and grace, and the like are more or less binary in nature and are either there or they are not there. The continuous analog nature of emergence would somehow need to be logically yoked to the binary nature of such concepts. While this would not be easy, I’m sure the effort to do so would be fascinating.

 

[ChibiViolet]

Watch it without the music, it is simple biology, ALL members of the animal kingdom accomplish it, it remarkably similiar fashions. **Only man develops intelligence and a soul. ** Whether you like it or not, God is involved!

Well, animals do have some form of intelligence and of course, material souls, but they do lack spirits (a spirit being the spiritual part of a soul; soul to be perfectly technical means individual creature with a physical component.)

 

[Bahman]

Do you honestly think Catholics are ignorant of the process of conception? We know where babies come from and have for quite some time now. We also know that the act of conception doesn’t produce the soul, that part of us that is created in God’s image.

How you could be so sure that soul does not emerge sometime between the act of conception and birth? Your God apparently intervene any time that you lack a clear explanation of subject mater.

 

[Bahman]

Watch it without the music, it is simple biology, ALL members of the animal kingdom accomplish it, it remarkably similiar fashions. Only man develops intelligence and a soul. Whether you like it or not, God is involved!

First why animal do not have a soul? Don’t you notice that how much we are similar to each other?

Second, your God intervene very much in every process. The God in the new picture just create and watch how universe running which means that the God in the new picture is much more intelligent than your God.

 

[Bahman]

While that is a very interesting thought Bahman, I think it needs a lot of ‘fleshing out’. As an example: guilt and innocence, sin and grace, and the like are more or less binary in nature and are either there or they are not there. The continuous analog nature of emergence would somehow need to be logically yoked to the binary nature of such concepts. While this would not be easy, I’m sure the effort to do so would be fascinating.

The soul is blank at the time which emerge. We learn those binary concepts later in our life.

 

[John_Martin]

We simply get ride of the old picture that God create soul at the time of conception. The new picture is more natural and doesn’t need God to intervene for everything.

God Himself told us that we are persons at the moment of our conception, therefore with a soul that he creates. Why would we want to think your suggestion is accurate in any way? Why don’t you like our God? He is actually your only and best Friend in the world (in the Person of Jesus, and in the being of the Church).

And why would we think that God “intervenes” when he does not intervene in anything, but is the natural principle cause and natural final cause of all (God is “Natural”, and not any kind of interjection into what is natural, even while his being is above material nature and above created spiritual natures [both human and angelic].

 

[Reepicheep]

We simply get ride of the old picture that God create soul at the time of conception. The new picture is more natural and doesn’t need God to intervene for everything.

Ah. But the old picture is the truth. God does create each human soul separately at the moment of conception.

The new picture might be more natural, but that’s the problem. The creation of souls is not natural. It is supernatural.

 

[Reepicheep]

How you could be so sure that soul does not emerge sometime between the act of conception and birth? Your God apparently intervene any time that you lack a clear explanation of subject mater.

1. What evidence do you have that it does? And your opinion is not evidence. Neither is “with the new picture we don’t need God”.
2. What makes you think we don’t understand basic biology?

 

[Reepicheep]

First why animal do not have a soul? Don’t you notice that how much we are similar to each other?

“Animal do not have a soul” because God did not give them any. You dispute this? Show me evidence of human-type souls among animals.

Second, your God intervene very much in every process. The God in the new picture just create and watch how universe running which means that the God in the new picture is much more intelligent than your God.

Yes. God does intervene very much in His creation. Your version of God does not exist: and a God who does exist is superior in every way to one that does not exist.

 

[Reepicheep]

The soul is blank at the time which emerge. We learn those binary concepts later in our life.

Even if true, so what? Dogs do not make laws for themselves, nor do they have courts to settle disputes among themselves. For that matter they don’t have language. We do, even if we have to learn to speak.

 

[aclausen]

Even if true, so what? Dogs do not make laws for themselves, nor do they have courts to settle disputes among themselves. For that matter they don’t have language. We do, even if we have to learn to speak.

But they do have some level of sophisticated social interaction. The difference, to my mind, is a matter of degree.

Chimpanzees have fairly complex societies, at least as complex as the sort of societies that young children form. Some of that occurs through cultural evolution; chimps are sufficiently complex animals that they can do some degree of cross-generational cultural transmission even in the absence of language.

For much of humanity’s history, and indeed among some populations of humans today, there are no courts, no governments, and no institutions as people in large urban or agrarian civilizations would know them. For much of the history of H. sapiens on this planet, none of the things you described existed. Hunter-gatherers have morals and ethics, to be sure, but advanced legal and governmental institutions don’t exist, nor could they sustain themselves in migratory populations of a few dozen or a few hundred members.

 

[Bahman]

Ah. But the old picture is the truth. God does create each human soul separately at the moment of conception.

This is just a claim. Moreover conception is a continues process so at the moment of conception is a meaningless claim.

The new picture might be more natural, but that’s the problem. The creation of souls is not natural. It is supernatural.

This is just a claim. We can put all phenomena in one basket and call it natural.

 

[Bahman]

1. What evidence do you have that it does? And your opinion is not evidence. Neither is “with the new picture we don’t need God”.

Watch the clip in OP again. The process seems continues. You cannot find any moment like the moment that soul is fused into the body.

1. What makes you think we don’t understand basic biology?

I didn’t say so.

 

[Bahman]

“Animal do not have a soul” because God did not give them any. You dispute this? Show me evidence of human-type souls among animals.

Soul is life. Animals are apparently alive.

Yes. God does intervene very much in His creation. Your version of God does not exist: and a God who does exist is superior in every way to one that does not exist.

My version of God is very sophisticated than yours and that makes it more appealing to accept him/her as a omniscient.

 

[Bahman]

Even if true, so what? Dogs do not make laws for themselves, nor do they have courts to settle disputes among themselves. For that matter they don’t have language. We do, even if we have to learn to speak.

Please read post #16. I cannot say it better than that.