Could Protestant denominations have their own Rites, if they become Catholic?

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The OP was a hypothetical about rites and ceremonies, not doctrine. The average Lutheran or Roman Catholic would not notice much difference between the ceremonies.
AugustTherese said:
Without the Sacrifice of the Mass, you are left with a ‘Divine Service’ of hymns, scripture readings, and some borrowed liturgical elements.
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That’s just, like, your triumphalistic opinion, man. Somehow, you managed to turn even a lighthearted, hypothetical discussion into a chest-thumping opportunity. God bless you.
 
steido01 said:
That’s just, like, your triumphalistic opinion, man. Somehow, you managed to turn even a lighthearted, hypothetical discussion into a chest-thumping opportunity. God bless you
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Friend, no. I am being honest with you. The Sacrifice of the Mass is what makes Mass a Mass.
 
This really simple to me, a simple-minded person. Either your Catholic or you are not. Most denominations do not have Sacramental rites. Anglicans come close as do Lutherans. When the Pope accepted a church back into the fold the congregation of that church followed the priest. That was not a world-wide reemergence back to the Church. Remember that The Church of England was the creation of Henery the 8th-I think so that he usurps Papal powers and cut off heads and marry whoever caught his eye. So it was either leave Catholicism or die, go underground or hide away to preserve the Church.
My history is a bit fuzzy these days, but I think I have the gist of it. I’m sure someone will tell me.
 
MaryEstelle2 said:
Either your Catholic or you are not.
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Pure envy in my opinion. If you want to become Catholic, it takes great humility. However, so many (not implying anyone) choose not humility, but pride while still wanting to be Catholic; so they call themselves Catholic but are truly not in the fullest sense of what it means to be Catholic. They want the title (envy), but they also want to have their cake and eat it, too.
 
AugustTherese said:
You mean Anglican priests, not mere Anglicans. Ok. How did they ‘retain liturgical practices’? Anglican rites are both invalid and illicit.
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I believe what Catholic1seeks is talking about is the Anglican Ordinariate. Pope Emeritus set up the Ordinariate to allow full communities to come into communion with Rome. THe preists are Ordained by the Church giveing them the ability to confect the Eucharist.
 
I think that this type of situation is possible for some of the more mainline protestant churches. This does not mean they will become their own rite but a Ordinariate under the control of the Bishop of any given diocese. The only one the really comes to mind is the Luteran communities that may wish to join the true Church!
 
Imdaman said:
I believe what Catholic1seeks is talking about is the Anglican Ordinariate. Pope Emeritus set up the Ordinariate to allow full communities to come into communion with Rome.
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How about instead of a full anglican community, a full pentecostal or baptist community wanted to come aboard?

Is there, or could there be a Pentecostal Ordinariate, where the pastor gets ordained as a priest in the ordinariate.
 
Augustinian said:
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Imdaman:
I believe what Catholic1seeks is talking about is the Anglican Ordinariate. Pope Emeritus set up the Ordinariate to allow full communities to come into communion with Rome.
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How about instead of a full anglican community, a full pentecostal or baptist community wanted to come aboard?

Is there, or could there be a Pentecostal Ordinariate, where the pastor gets ordained as a priest in the ordinariate.
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Maybe it possible anything is but highly unlikely. For one thing The Anglican Communion was in full communion with Rome at one time as well as the German church. In other words they are closely aligned with the “Church”. Albeit they remove themselves farther and farther every time they decide to ignore truth and cling to the world such as ordaining women and homosexual unions.
 
A lot of these denominations are very broad, on a practical level wouldn’t the individuals just be expected to join their nearest parish?
 
I don’t know if pride and envy are the true culprits, but misinformation and poorly taught Catechism and Doctrine can be confusing and misleading and not understood. Desire and passion are not ‘sins’ but the miss use and misdirected. After all, God did say, “Go forth and procreate.” There are other underlying problems with the poster’s feelings, but I don’t think it is truly the Church that has caused his depression. Depression is now a common cause and effect these days. Sigh-I thinks it is in the water…or the bread. Sigh… and seriously…take away all the additives and chemicals that we ingest and a lot of these symptoms might-hopefully-go away.
 
Imdaman said:
I believe what Catholic1seeks is talking about is the Anglican Ordinariate. Pope Emeritus set up the Ordinariate to allow full communities to come into communion with Rome. THe preists are Ordained by the Church giveing them the ability to confect the Eucharist.
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Yep. We already clarified this. I initially misunderstood his question.
 
ConfusedLucy said:
A lot of these denominations are very broad, on a practical level wouldn’t the individuals just be expected to join their nearest parish?
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Yes, I think that’s what they would have to do now. But then the minister is out of work, because he doesn’t get ordained and the community is basically dissolved instead of absorbed.
 
So there are two ways of looking at this:
  1. If Lutheran groups came over, they would just assimilate into Roman Rite, since the history of their own practices are essentially Roman
  2. OR, they would fully retain their external practices, and the Church would approve of a new “form,” like it did with the Anglicans.
I guess neither one would equate to a “Rite”. But then again, the idea of Protestant Rites may be an important link in full Catholic communion.

So perhaps it may be possible to have a “Lutheran Rite,” JUST LIKE there are other Rites in the West that developed around, say, religious orders. [In fact, I once heard a Catholic evangelist say that if the Protestant Reformation worked out differently, we could in fact have a “Lutheran order” – Like Franciscans or Dominicans – in the Catholic Church, rather than a separate denomination. Interesting]
 
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I guess an unmarried male pastor could discern becoming a Catholic priest, a female pastor wouldn’t be able to. A lot of the non-Catholics in these congregations might find parishes a bit of a culture shock, I guess the ex-Catholics less so.
 
catholic1seeks said:
If Lutheran groups came over, they would just assimilate into Roman Rite, since the history of their own practices are essentially Roman
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Pretty much. There’s already so much similarity, since both traditions arose out of the pre-Tridentine tradition. In fact, one could make the argument that the Lutheran rite is older than the current Roman Missal, since Lutheran worship has essentially remained unchanged since the 1500s and Roman one continues to evolve (1962, 1970, 1971, 2002, 2008, etc).
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In fact, I once heard a Catholic evangelist say that if the Protestant Reformation worked out differently, we could in fact have a “Lutheran order” in the Catholic Church, rather than a separate denomination. Interesting
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If only.
 
Augustinian said:
Yes, I think that’s what they would have to do now. But then the minister is out of work, because he doesn’t get ordained and the community is basically dissolved instead of absorbed.
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Depends on the group and the education of the minister. Lutheran pastors and Roman Catholic priests usually have very little trouble colloquizing after conversion, since the education each receives is so similar. Greek, Hebrew, Latin, a little German, OT, NT, systematics, church history, and in most places they even share their Clinical Pastoral Education courses at hospitals, nursing homes, etc.
 
To be honest I’m not 100% familiar with the practicalities of married ministers “converting” to becoming Catholic priests although I know some CofE did after the CofE began ordaining women.
 
In fact, one could make the argument that the Lutheran rite is older than the current Roman Missal, since Lutheran worship has essentially remained unchanged since the 1500s and Roman one continues to evolve
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Maybe, but liturgy has always evolved. Part of the liturgical updates in the Roman Catholic world of the 20th and 21st century were in fact to “reach back” to the earliest centuries, though.
 
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