Could Protestant denominations have their own Rites, if they become Catholic?

[7_Sorrows]

i apologize because i see on another thread you are a convert. so am I.
i was Episcopalian/Anglican so i was very happy with the way Pope Emeritus reached out to Episcopalians and Anglicans.
i understand the Anglican Use Mass is beautiful, but the best part is they are within the Catholic flock now.

 

[steido01]

Circular reasoning.

Are you always so pleasant?

 

[AugustTherese]

AugustTherese:

Circular reasoning.

Are you always so pleasant?

Hey, they’re not your confessions. I’m exposing error is all. Swim to us, where there is no error on faith and morals.

 

[LostSheep7]

I do wonder what a Pentecostal rite would look like.

Like mass hysteria

 

[steido01]

Swim to us, where there is no error on faith and morals.

I’ve been watching a great documentary on WWII. My first instinct was to respond with Gen. McAuliffe‘s famous response to the German general at the Battle of the Bulge. But you’re just such a charitable and uncondescending witness to your communion that I can’t help but want to join you.

You’re back on my ignore list. Congrats, you’ve turned yet another lighthearted thread into part of your personal crusade against Lutheranism. Goodbye.

 

[LostSheep7]

Lutherans conform entirely to the fathers’ understanding of a visible church. It is made visible wherever the Word is rightly preached and the Sacraments rightly administered.

I heard calvinists claim the same thing multiple times, but they have different views on many crucial elements of the Christian Faith compared to Lutherans. Who’s right?

 

[twf]

You’re missing the point of the thread. This isn’t about the validity of Anglican or Lutheran orders.

 

[dochawk]

Hmmmm…Is there an example of Anglican liturgical practices that are practiced in the Latin Rite?

:headsmack:

You mean like the entire Ordinariate for this that the pope established and created a Constitution for?

Or the handful of US Episcopal churches that were accepted in the 80s and allowed to use the Book of Common Prayer, substitution only the Roman Canon?

hawk

 

[ConfusedLucy]

It would be an interesting combination. High Anglican (and I guess Lutheran) services on the surface don’t look too different to Catholic masses, low Anglican, Pentecostal, Evangelical and non-Denominational services can look very different and it would be interesting to see what features they would be allowed to keep if they became Catholic services.

 

[pablope]

Great question. Lutherans conform entirely to the fathers’ understanding of a visible church. It is made visible wherever the Word is rightly

But the word according to whose interpretation?

preached and the Sacraments rightly administered.

But you Lutherans only recognize two, sometimes 3…so should it all be 7 sacraments or only two or three (depending on which lutheran) rightly administered?

That is where the Lutheran measures catholicity; by a church body’s adherence to the historical Christian faith as expressed in Scripture and the Three Great Ecumenical Creeds, and in its use of the Sacraments for the reception of Grace and forgiveness of sins.

But those who used the word catholic before did not refer to the pope as the anti-christ…how can you use the word catholic to describe yourself…yet confess the pope is where the anti-christ resides?

To us, it is the teaching of the Apostles that grants true succession, not a game of tag (though we do retain the Rite of Ordination with the laying on of hands – we just understand each pastor to essentially be a bishop).

How can you even believe in apostolic succession…when Lutherans do not even recognize the sacrament of holy orders? Moreover…how can pastors ordain bishosp? The ecumenical councils decreed that only a bishop can confer bishops and priests?

 

[AugustTherese]

You mean like the entire Ordinariate for this that the pope established and created a Constitution for?

That’s not an example.

Or the handful of US Episcopal churches that were accepted in the 80s and allowed to use the Book of Common Prayer, substitution only the Roman Canon?

That’s an example. Congratulations! I’m sorry I did not know this to incite a ‘headsmack’ from you; I hope that helps you.

 

[AugustTherese]

You’re missing the point of the thread. This isn’t about the validity of Anglican or Lutheran orders.

Read the entire thread. Especially the part where I stated that I misunderstood the initial question. Rites have different meanings.

 

[AugustTherese]

But you’re just such a charitable and uncondescending witness to your communion that I can’t help but want to join you.

As you roll your eyes. Look, if I have come off as uncharitable, I apologize. But, where have I been uncharitable? If exposing error is uncharitable to you, then I cannot help it.

Congrats, you’ve turned yet another lighthearted thread into part of your personal crusade against Lutheranism

I will always fight Lutheranism, until the day I die! There are some beautiful things within Lutheranism, such as the beliefs we share. However I pray and desire every single Lutheran to come home to the Church Jesus Christ founded, and where the fullness of Truth can be experienced and shared, and most importantly, where every Lutheran can experience the Eucharist in the way Our Blessed Lord destined for every human being.

 

[exnihilo]

Without the Sacrifice of the Mass, you are left with a ‘Divine Service’ of hymns, scripture readings, and some borrowed liturgical elements.

True, but the hymns are better. If you are going to do hymns, and I’m not advocating it, then at least do them well. In many ways one
of the local Lutheran churches in my town does liturgy better than any Catholic Church. Most definitely the most sensibly fully Catholic service in my town is done at a local Episcopal church.

Those churches are missing holy orders and a valid Eucharist. Those are both huge. But it would be nice if the overall best expression of Catholicism in the liturgy in my town was actually a Catholic Church.

 

[LostSheep7]

low anglicans

It would be kind odd since the battle cry of the non conformists/low Church anglicans was purging what was left of “Popery” in the Church of England.

 

[AugustTherese]

i apologize

It’s all good, brother!

 

[mrsdizzyd]

tries to imagine a Baptist ordinate… fails miserably

 

[7_Sorrows]

LOL - actually I am a sister (female- not as in nun)

 

[DeepDeepTrouble3]

The Pope can be very powerful in this way.

 

[1ke]

Much like the Anglicans who retained their liturgical practices when they entered into union with Rome.

Anglicans do not have a Rite. They are Latin Rite, which other Protestants become when they convert also— individually or en masse.