Could the greatest commandments describe the trinity?

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Jesus loves God the Father with all his heart, mind, soul and strength.
Jesus loves each and every one of us as he loves himself.

God the Father loves Jesus the Son with all his heart, mind, soul and strength.
The Father loves each and every one of us as he loves himself.

Could the spirit be the power of God’s love; working through the perfection of the greatest commandments?

Your thoughts please

blessings

Eric
 
Whilst Jesus spent his time on Earth, he would have lived by the greatest commandments. Could the greatest commandments still apply after he rose from the dead, and he ascended into heaven?

Jesus loves God the Father with all his heart, mind, soul and strength.
Jesus loves each and every one of his neighbours as he loves himself.

Blessings

Eric
 
Jesus loves God the Father with all his heart, mind, soul and strength.
Jesus loves each and every one of us as he loves himself.

God the Father loves Jesus the Son with all his heart, mind, soul and strength.
The Father loves each and every one of us as he loves himself.

Could the spirit be the power of God’s love; working through the perfection of the greatest commandments?
Your assertions about the Trinity contain serious doctrinal errors.
God is truly and absolutely simple.
The Divine Nature of God is One, so the Father, Son, Spirit have the very same Divine Nature.

The Divine Nature of the Spirit is not ‘the power of God’s love working through the perfection of the greatest commandments’. This assertion makes it seem as if the Spirit were neither a Person, nor possessed of one and the same Nature as the Father and Son.

The Father does not have a soul, and He has a ‘heart and mind’ only in a figurative sense, since He has will and intellect. The same is true of the Second Person in His Divine Nature, although in His human nature He has a body and soul.
 
Greetings and peace be with you Ron, thanks for your reply,
He has will and intellect. The same is true of the Second Person in His Divine Nature, although in His human nature He has a body and soul.
Jesus said the commandments are greatest for us, and I wondered if they also have a greatest meaning for God the Father and Son. As you suggest the greatest commandment might not apply to God in the same way he applied them to us, so they might be written …

Jesus loves God the Father with all his heart, mind, will and intellect.
Jesus loves each and every one of us as he loves himself.

In a way it seems that Jesus loves us more than he loves himself, because he died for us. But he will also be our judge, and he holds the power of heaven or eternal damnation.

We struggle to search for meaning regarding God, the Father, Son and Spirit, and the questions seem so profound, and beyond our understanding.

Hello graceandglory, thanks for the link to Rublev’s icon of the trinity, the longer you look at it the more detail seems to appear.

Blessings

Eric
 
Can the forgiveness of sins hang on the greatest commandments ?

When the people of Jeruselam shouted, crucify him; did Jesus forgive them, in order that he should love them as he loves himself? When the soldiers scurged him, and nailed him to the cross, did he forgive them, so that he should keep the second greatest commandment?

It seems that every time Jesus suffered injustice here on Earth, he had to forgive, in order that he should continue to love the sinners as he loved himself. After the acsencion of Jesus into heaven, does Jesus still forgive us, in order that he should keep loving each and every one of us as he loves himself. What kind of a burden do we place on Jesus with our sins? Can Jesus love us more than he loves himself?

Blessings

Eric
 
Can the Gospel of the transfiguration be linked to the greatest commandments? Moses is said to represent the law and Elijah is said to represent the prophets. Does all the law and the prophets hang on Jesus, the central figure in the transfiguration?

Blessings
Eric
 
Whilst Jesus spent his time on Earth, he would have lived by the greatest commandments. Could the greatest commandments still apply after he rose from the dead, and he ascended into heaven?

Jesus loves God the Father with all his heart, mind, soul and strength.
Jesus loves each and every one of his neighbours as he loves himself.

Blessings

Eric
Hi, Eric -

Yes, I think the greatest commandment applies, after Jesus rose from the dead.

Thanks for a new insight into God the Father and God the Son.
 
… it was St. Augustine of Hippo who did the most to develop the doctrine of the double procession. **“St. Augustine taught that the Holy Spirit is the bond of love that exists between the Father and the Son.”**5 In On the Trinity (400-416) he wrote:
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[With the Father and the Son] the Holy Spirit, too, exists in this same unit of substance and equality. For whether He be the unity of the Father and the Son, or Their holiness, or Their love, or Their unity because He is Their love, or Their love because He is Their holiness, it is clear that He is not one of the Two, since it is by Him that the Two are joined, by Him that the Begotten is loved by the Begetter, and in turn loves Him who begot Him (XI, 5:7).
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And yet it is not without reason that in this Trinity only the Word of God is called Son, only the Gift of God the Holy Spirit, and only He of whom the Word is begotten and from Whom principally the Holy Spirit proceeds is called God the Father. I have added the term "principally" because the Holy Spirit is found to proceed also from the Son. But this too the Father gave the Son, not as if the Son did not already exist and have it, but because whatever the Father gives the Son, He gives by begetting. He so begot Him, then, that the Gift might proceed jointly from Him, and so that the Holy Spirit would be the Spirit of both (XV, 17:29).
 
Can the Gospel of the transfiguration be linked to the greatest commandments? Moses is said to represent the law and Elijah is said to represent the prophets. Does all the law and the prophets hang on Jesus, the central figure in the transfiguration?

Blessings
Eric
Jesus came to fulfill the psalms, law, and prophets concerning Him.

Luke 24:44
Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.”
 
Can the forgiveness of sins hang on the greatest commandments ?

When the people of Jeruselam shouted, crucify him; did Jesus forgive them, in order that he should love them as he loves himself? When the soldiers scurged him, and nailed him to the cross, did he forgive them, so that he should keep the second greatest commandment?

It seems that every time Jesus suffered injustice here on Earth, he had to forgive, in order that he should continue to love the sinners as he loved himself. After the acsencion of Jesus into heaven, does Jesus still forgive us, in order that he should keep loving each and every one of us as he loves himself. What kind of a burden do we place on Jesus with our sins? Can Jesus love us more than he loves himself?
Matthew 18:33-35
Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ 34 And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him. 35 “So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.”

We must forgive or else we will not be forgiven.

Matthew 6:14-15
“For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
 
It seems that the greatest commandments are a reflection of the Trinity. It has been described as follows; The 3 persons of the Trinity are a participation of perfecct love with God the father pouring himself out from all eternity into the Son who from all erternity pours himself back to the Father with this loving communion between them generating the Holy Spirit from all eternity. It would make sense that if God is, in fact and being, love then God would create with that purpose for His creation.
 
Greetings and peace be with you DCNBILL;
It would make sense that if God is, in fact and being, love then God would create with that purpose for His creation.
Here is a child like and yet profound way to test the power of the greatest commandments further; when looking for a purpose for the creation of the universe and life.

Did God have a complete plan for the creation of everything, did he think ahead? Were Christ’s life, death and resurrection planned before the creation of the universe began?

To search for a deeper meaning, was Christ freely given the choice to accept his sacrifice before the creation of the universe began?

Would it mean that the Father had a purpose for man so great, that creation could not be achieved in any lesser way?

What purpose can be so great, that it would compel God to create the universe and life, knowing in advance that his son would have to die?

Would it be to forgive us our sins, or can there be something greater?

Challenge your mind to find a greatest good purpose for the creation of the universe; by searching for answers to three questions.

What greatest thing can God create?

God could create all the stars and planets of the universe; he then becomes God the builder.
God could create a whole variety of life with almost no intelligence like plants; he now becomes God the gardener’
God could create life with more intelligence but if the knowledge is limited he has now created the animal kingdom. He now becomes God the farmer.
God could create life in his own image, a life that could understand him. Can God create anything greater than life in his own image, does he now become God the Father.
Does the greatest thing that God creates, depend on the relationship that he can have with them?

What greatest purpose can God have to create children in his own image?

Could love be the greatest reason for God to create children?
Could the ultimate God be a God who loves in the greatest way?

God willingly loves all of mankind as he loves HIMSELF.

Can there be any greater reason to create children, even for God, can God love us more than he loves himself??

To find a greatest purpose for all God’s children.

What greatest purpose could God set for humanity? Would it be for everyone to turn to His kind of religion and pray the way that he stipulates, or would it be to banish poverty, gain intellectual superiority, conquer sickness and death, and subdue the universe or is there more?

If the greatest reason God could have to create mankind, is to love us, as he loves himself, then God could create mankind, with the freedom to return God’s love

All of mankind to be created with the freedom to love God the creator unconditionally, are we given the greatest commandment as a guide for this very purpose?

God willingly loves everyone as he loves himself; do we also need this same freedom to love everyone in the same way, so that the truth can be complete for God and mankind.

All of mankind, to be created with the freedom to love their neighbour; as they love themselves unconditionally; are we given the second greatest commandment as a guide?

Is this how God wants his children to be one? He wants us to love each other as we love ourselves.

In a way, God loves us more than he loves himself, because he was willing to do what was good for us but not good for him (send his Son to die). In a sort of contradicting way, God loves himself more than us, because he knows that he is the greatest thing in the universe and retains the power of heaven or hell over us.

When you ask the question; why did Christ say they are the greatest commandment, can it possibly be because God can do nothing greater?
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   Just some thoughts to reflect on.

   Blessings,
   Eric
 
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