Could the Methodist Church be reconciled with the Catholic Church?

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I just ran across this link on NC Register about the possibility of English Methodists merging with the Anglican Church:
yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/Methodist-church-prepared-to-39go.6065794.jp
Rather than jumping on board a sinking ship, perhaps they could go “all the way” and unite with Rome. I imagine the pastoral problems would be considerable, but with God all things are possible.
I try not to speculate or imagine about these things… what kind of unity it is? I guess we’ll wait and see. By the way, be careful with that quote… 1+1 will always equal to 2. God will not help you make it possible to become or add up to three or any other number, if you know what I mean.😉

Just passing thru…🙂

Peace but Truth is more important.🙂
 
Coming from an United Methodist background (before my conversion) I do not think so. While much of the laity in the UM system tends to be on the conservative side, the track of the UM seminaries… Well lets just say they are leaning left (with the exception of perhaps Asbury in Kentucky) and they are putting out leaders who are just liberal as many of the professors and staff at these seminaries. The UM ordains women, they do not ordain gays, but there are groups working to change this, and some of the boards offically accept abortion (Board of Church and society being the major one.) I even had a Methodist pastor tell me that you cannot be prolife unless you are pro abortion. I believe God had one reason for me coming here to MTSO and that was to find the Catholic Church. Who would think that a Methodist seminarian would leave the UMC during his second year to become Catholic? God truly works in mysterious ways! 😃
 
I just ran across this link on NC Register about the possibility of English Methodists merging with the Anglican Church:
yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/Methodist-church-prepared-to-39go.6065794.jp
Rather than jumping on board a sinking ship, perhaps they could go “all the way” and unite with Rome. I imagine the pastoral problems would be considerable, but with God all things are possible.
Any Christian Church which has the core “conventional” Christian beliefs could be reconciled with the Catholic Church, provided the will was there, and they were prepared to recognised certain Catholic claims.

It is only quasi-Christian churches like the Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses which could not possibly be reconciled with the Catholic Church. Individuals within them could be, but only by leaving their organisations and coming aboard individually.
 
I just ran across this link on NC Register about the possibility of English Methodists merging with the Anglican Church:
yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/Methodist-church-prepared-to-39go.6065794.jp
Rather than jumping on board a sinking ship, perhaps they could go “all the way” and unite with Rome. I imagine the pastoral problems would be considerable, but with God all things are possible.
Remember that there are the “low church” Anglicans and the “high church” Anglicans. The low church variety are more the evangelical types while the high church types are more “Catholic-like” in their beliefs.

From what I understand, the English Methodists are considering the “low church.”
 
I think the hard thing would be authority. In the CC we go by the Authority of the Pope and Bishops. But I do believe we will all come together some day and back to where we started. All One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church:thumbsup: But it will take alot of prayers and time.
 
Any Christian Church which has the core “conventional” Christian beliefs could be reconciled with the Catholic Church, provided the will was there, and they were prepared to recognised certain Catholic claims.
And therein lies the problem and why we should emphasize the unity in which we as Christians have with one another now. The RCC is unwilling to move an inch due to her claims of the one and only infallible. But expects everyone else to move a mile.
 
And therein lies the problem and why we should emphasize the unity in which we as Christians have with one another now. The RCC is unwilling to move an inch due to her claims of the one and only infallible. But expects everyone else to move a mile.
I agree and we won’t. We cannot. The RCC is not unwilling to move, it just cannot. The RCC is led by the Holy Spirit and the Holy SPirit is what lead us to the truth to begin with.

You cannot move an inch away from the truth no matter what. We ARE INDEED led by the Holy Spirit as God promised and we will be here until God comes back.
 
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And therein lies the problem and why we should emphasize the unity in which we as Christians have with one another now. The RCC is unwilling to move an inch due to her claims of the one and only infallible. But [SIGN]expects everyone else to move a mile.
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And no offense but some more than a Mile! But the Church has stood firm for over 2000 years. It is made of Rock and will not MOVE!!
 
I just ran across this link on NC Register about the possibility of English Methodists merging with the Anglican Church:
yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/Methodist-church-prepared-to-39go.6065794.jp
Rather than jumping on board a sinking ship, perhaps they could go “all the way” and unite with Rome. I imagine the pastoral problems would be considerable, but with God all things are possible.
Most churches would totally balk at the teachings on artificial birth control. There’s really no way that Christianity will reunite under the Catholic banner until Rome stops prohibiting the limiting of family size through artificial means. It’s just not a practical rule in this day and age of women in the paid workforce, urban crowding, and higher demands by society in raising children.
 
Who would think that a Methodist seminarian would leave the UMC during his second year to become Catholic?
Actually it’s fairly common, as I think I’ve told you before. I knew a number of people at Duke who became Catholic, and many more who (like me, though I was in the Ph.D. program rather than the seminary per se) seriously considered it. Some of the people who became Catholic at Duke left the Church shortly after leaving Duke. Admittedly, Duke Div School is very pro-Catholic and some Methodists think it’s becoming almost more Catholic than Methodist. But my point is that a Protestant seminary is actually a place where one would expect to see people become Catholic or Orthodox, because a seminary education forces you to think about the roots and principles of your faith, and that kind of thinking is likely to incline you toward Catholicism and/or Orthodoxy. Unfortunately, the reality on the ground does not always do this.

If Catholicism were purely a matter of books, I’d have become Catholic years ago. But one doesn’t convert to theological constructs. And since Christianity is an incarnational faith, the reality “on the ground” does matter.

Edwin
 
I just ran across this link on NC Register about the possibility of English Methodists merging with the Anglican Church:
yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/Methodist-church-prepared-to-39go.6065794.jp
Rather than jumping on board a sinking ship, perhaps they could go “all the way” and unite with Rome. I imagine the pastoral problems would be considerable, but with God all things are possible.
I think this is unlikely in the English context. British Methodism is considerably more “low church” for the most part than American Methodism (they have defined themselves for years over against Anglicanism, while American Methodists have defined themselves more often over against the Baptists; and the fact that John Wesley actually set up American Methodism as a church, giving it a liturgy and articles of faith even though they didn’t long follow the former, has some impact–British Methodism was founded as an independent church after the death of the Wesleys and against the wishes both brothers had expressed strongly while they were alive). Furthermore, reunion with Anglicanism is both more natural and more controversial in the British context. The Church of England is the state church and in a sense the “default option,” and Methodism came out of Anglicanism in Britain (after a long gestation period that lasted till after the death of the founders), while in America it had a more independent origin. American Methodists don’t resent Anglicans the way the British Methodists do, but they tend not to think about us that much one way or the other. They are bigger than we are, and I suspect that most Episcopalians don’t want union with them because they would basically swallow us up in a sea of bad liturgy and bland potluck suppers. (I don’t share this attitude, I hasten to add, and I am perhaps being uncharitable toward my fellow Episcopalians in ascribing it to them!)

There certainly are United Methodists who want either to imitate or unite with Episcopalianism. My wife (a lifelong United Methodist) just became Episcopalian, and many Episcopal priests seem to be former Methodists. But in the free-floating American ecclesiastical context, such people tend to just cross over rather than trying to move Methodism toward some sort of corporate reunion.

In American Methodism, more so than in British, the OP’s question is a relevant one. At least one Methodist bishop, Scott Jones (though I believe he wasn’t a bishop when he said this), has explicitly said that Methodists ought to work toward reunion with Rome, that he expects it to happen within a generation or so, and that Catholics have much more to offer Methodists than Episcopalians do (ouch! but largely true in my opinion).

Edwin
 
I agree and we won’t. We cannot. The RCC is not unwilling to move, it just cannot. The RCC is led by the Holy Spirit and the Holy SPirit is what lead us to the truth to begin with.

You cannot move an inch away from the truth no matter what. We ARE INDEED led by the Holy Spirit as God promised and we will be here until God comes back.
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Peace but Truth is more important.🙂
 
I agree and we won’t. We cannot. The RCC is not unwilling to move, it just cannot. The RCC is led by the Holy Spirit and the Holy SPirit is what lead us to the truth to begin with.
But as I understand the Catholic position, this does not apply to every practice or even every common belief within the Catholic Church. You and CMatt25 are both assuming that the points dividing Catholics and Protestants are entirely or largely questions of dogma covered by the Catholic concept of infallibility. But many of them are not.

One obvious example of something that is historically important to Protestants but not so much to Catholics is communion in both kinds vs. one kind. The Catholic Church has “moved” on this, because doing it one way or another is not a matter of dogma (though the *validity *of communion in one kind is, due to the doctrine of concomitance). For many Protestants communion in both kinds is essential. Union between Protestants and Catholics is a lot more feasible now than it was before communion in both kinds became allowable in your Church. Of course Protestants would have to accept that communion in one kind was valid, but most would not have a problem with that as long as they were not forced to do it themselves. Vernacular liturgy is another example of something that once divided Protestants from Catholics but no longer does.

Practices such as the ordination of married men (perhaps even clerical marriage, though that’s much more dubious given the antiquity and universality of the prohibition of such marriages) or the election of bishops are, again, very important to many Protestants, while Catholics necessarily acknowledge that they are legitimate.

Catholics typically dismiss these things as mere “disciplines.” I think many of you fail to understand how important these matters are to many Protestants. Protestants see them as embodying theological principles.

Edwin
 
I just ran across this link on NC Register about the possibility of English Methodists merging with the Anglican Church:
yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/Methodist-church-prepared-to-39go.6065794.jp
Rather than jumping on board a sinking ship, perhaps they could go “all the way” and unite with Rome. I imagine the pastoral problems would be considerable, but with God all things are possible.
First, they’ll have to give up their Welch’s grape juice for communion service…and THAT won’t be easy! 😛
 
The differences between Anglicans and Methodists in Britain is now one mainly of tradition and low/high liturgy; I was in Epworth two years ago on Remembrance Day, and the local Methodist minister led the service at Christ Church (an Anglican church). I believe the Anglican and Methodists Churches there have been operating under a covenant for several years.

As far as reconciling with the Catholic Church, there are certainly obstacles. But nothing is impossible with God.
 
First, they’ll have to give up their Welch’s grape juice for communion service…and THAT won’t be easy! 😛
Easier than you think - that’s a very minor issue for most. It’s been permitted for United Methodists to use wine since 1992, though few do.
 
Easier than you think - that’s a very minor issue for most. It’s been permitted for United Methodists to use wine since 1992, though few do.
I was told by a Methodist minister that the non-use of wine is one of the major obstacles that keeps the Methodist church from full communion with the Anglican church. Actually, it’s one of territory and autonomy. The Methodist church is NOT going to give up its freedom (or money) to the anglican church. No way!
 
But as I understand the Catholic position, this does not apply to every practice or even every common belief within the Catholic Church. You and CMatt25 are both assuming that the points dividing Catholics and Protestants are entirely or largely questions of dogma covered by the Catholic concept of infallibility. But many of them are not.

One obvious example of something that is historically important to Protestants but not so much to Catholics is communion in both kinds vs. one kind. The Catholic Church has “moved” on this, because doing it one way or another is not a matter of dogma (though the *validity *of communion in one kind is, due to the doctrine of concomitance). For many Protestants communion in both kinds is essential. Union between Protestants and Catholics is a lot more feasible now than it was before communion in both kinds became allowable in your Church. Of course Protestants would have to accept that communion in one kind was valid, but most would not have a problem with that as long as they were not forced to do it themselves. Vernacular liturgy is another example of something that once divided Protestants from Catholics but no longer does.

Practices such as the ordination of married men (perhaps even clerical marriage, though that’s much more dubious given the antiquity and universality of the prohibition of such marriages) or the election of bishops are, again, very important to many Protestants, while Catholics necessarily acknowledge that they are legitimate.

Catholics typically dismiss these things as mere “disciplines.” I think many of you fail to understand how important these matters are to many Protestants. Protestants see them as embodying theological principles.

Edwin
Edwin, I’m not assuming. 😉
 
Most churches would totally balk at the teachings on artificial birth control. There’s really no way that Christianity will reunite under the Catholic banner until Rome stops prohibiting the limiting of family size through artificial means. It’s just not a practical rule in this day and age of women in the paid workforce, urban crowding, and higher demands by society in raising children.
But see that will never happen.
 
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