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dianaiad
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Excuse me, but you don’t get to use me as an excuse for your discourtesy.
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ricko
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No, it is not possible if one considers objectively all the evidence.
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pismopal
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I don’t blame you for being miffed…the truth can be painful at times.
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dianaiad
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Truth is never painful. Truth is joy, or it should be.
There are those who present what they believe to be truth in a manner intended to BE painful. They are.insulting, demeaning, arrogant or supercillious–you know all the words, I’m certain–they are not really attempting to spread truth, but to alienate others and see to it that they never join you in your truth.
I mean, if you really gave a damn, you would simply present what you believe to be true, believing that in comparison to your truth, no lie could stand. You don’t have to knock them down–in turning to truth, the lies fall of themselves.
That is, they do if you trust your truth enough to try it. The problem is, few trust their own truth enough to try it. It is a supreme lack of faith, seems to me.
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Gottle_of_Geer
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**If **
- Jesus is born out of wedlock
- NT Greek is a form of Egyptian
- God is a perfected man
- God had penetrative sexual intercourse with Mary
- Jesus is the brother of Satan
- etc.,
- etc.,
then probably. If however Jesus is not the illegitimate offspring of an act of adultery committed by God & Mary - then not.
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Gottle_of_Geer
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Since Mormonism is is not Christian, that does not include Mormonism - it’s a cult, plain & simple. If they are Christians, then Islam is Christian. 
(Though, since some of the more foolish ecumenists regard the SDAs as Christian, maybe Joseph Smith & his deluded followers will count as Christians too :banghead: 
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dianaiad
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And exactly what belief system are you referring to with the above list?
Because I don’t recognize it.
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dianaiad
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May I present the above post as an example of the ‘loving’ way that some people show their regard and lack of malice towards Mormons?Since Mormonism is is not Christian, that does not include Mormonism - it’s a cult, plain & simple. If they are Christians, then Islam is Christian.
(and yes, that’s really heavy handed sarcasm.)
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RebeccaJ
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Could you present a post that is perhaps positive? You seem to seek out and highlight the negative.
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Bill_Pick
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dianaiad what do mormons believe about jesus christ and the trinity its not christian
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BartBurk
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No. The Native Americans came from Siberia. The Book of Mormon is false. Case closed.
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dianaiad
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I’d love to.
If I could find one.
Please excuse me, part of this is about me having a really nasty flu/cold bug and being home from work.
Part of it is because I honestly do not remember a post in here that addresses Mormonism that does not have a negative twist to it.
No, I’m not talking about simple disagreements with doctrine. For instance, I don’t wear the cross, ask for intercession with Mary or repeat memorized prayers in my personal prayer time. However, I understand the value of symbols, the idea of reverence vs. worship…the sort of awe for God that asking Mary to intercede for you represents, and the value of the meditative, receptive state that people who say the Rosary obtain; it is valuable and I don’t see anything horrific, idol worshiping or useless about any of it. Which is why you don’t see me making fun of such things, attacking them or claiming that people who participate in them are somehow more cultish, less intelligent, less valuable, or Christian, than me.
I’m talking about…(and this is classic, short and a perfect example) “dianaiad what do mormons believe about jesus christ and the trinity its not christian”
Now give me one good reason why I should address this request with any civility? If I were to ask you “Rebecca, what to Catholics believe about Mary and worshiping idols its not christian.” would you feel all that accommodating?
Even those posts that restrict themselves…for instance, if Bill had written 'dianaiad what do mormons believe about jesus christ and the trinity?" You can guarantee that, if I answered it, the response would be a sort of 'A HA! I GOT YOU!" sort of thing. Either “No you don’t either, I was told that you believe this and it’s not Christian” or “Mormons lie, that’s not what you mean when you use the words” or something.
I can’t remember the last time someone asked me a question like that and responded to my answer with “thank you, I didn’t know that,” or "thank you, that clears a question up,’ or just “thank you…”
On the other hand, you’ve given me an idea. This forum is a great deal more civil than usenet. If it is possible to find a simple, positive post about Mormonism, it might be so in here. I don’t feel good enough to do anything else, anyway, and it might make me feel better to find one or two.
My requirements for ‘positive’ are pretty simple: any comment or request about Mormonism that isn’t hiding a thorn in it, or isn’t a set up for a trap. Doesn’t have to praise us. Doesn’t have to agree with us. It just has to …not be an ambush.
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dianaiad
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Yes indeed, the vast majority of Native Americans are Mongoloid, with origins in the east, most likely over the Bering land bridge.
The Book of Mormon is still true.
Case closed.
Your argument is as compelling as the one about the Book of Mormon not being true because it mentions the use of cement.
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BartBurk
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You don’t have any evidence at all that any Native Americans came from Israel. When you consider how large the civilizations described in the BOM were, you should have evidence of Middle Eastern influence in the Americas. There is none. All of the research shows that Native Americans came from Siberia. See my thread on DNA. Mormonism has been demonstrated to be false not just by DNA, but in almost every field of scientific study. It’s over and the Mormons need to get used to it. The Book of Mormon is fantasy.
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RebeccaJ
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Welcome to the club.
Only, I’m supposed to be on vacation.Sucks to be us.
Here you go again. You can make a laundry list a thousand miles long of everything anyone ever said about Mormonism that is negative.
You tire me out.
This points out well what you are not seeing. We talk about Mormon doctrines, the errors that it teaches.
Mormons do this thing where you make it all very personal. If I were to say something like “the grounds at temple square are filthy”, you’d take it at though I were telling you that you need a bath.
Diana, last night, errr, early this morning, I did find a list for you. Had it typed up. But then I thought, what is the point of this making a list of offenses, back and forth. It is fruitless.
But, one of the papers I found had his great quote about how our creeds our corrupt and that as we teach them and say them we are corrupt too. It was as nasty, and as anti-Catholic as it comes.
It was followed by a lot of, “now that we’ve smacked you around, let me tell you how it was for your own good”.
People who tell you these things are for the most part not out to get you. They are telling you the truth, and believe it is for your own good. Granted, there are people in the world who make a career out of criticizing others. I don’t think any are here at CAF, at least, not for long.
Indeed, I would, and have, and do. One good reason, how about, pray for those that curse you?
We all work at being more charitable. Charity includes correcting error in belief. No, we shouldn’t bash each other about with religious disagreement. But neither should we sit by and tell you, “that’s nice dear”, when it is anything but.
It is possible to answer confrontational questions without feeding the confrontation.
This is about dialog. When you say something that raises other points or questions, people are going to discuss them.
I do agree that a thank you now and then doesn’t hurt.
That’s the problem I have seen with every Mormon. People often ask a question, and the Mormon treats them like they are Ed Decker. When really, they just had a question.
People hear and read the sort of things about Mormonism that you don’t like. People do come here and ask, Do mormons really believe ‘X’? Most often, Mormons call them trolls. And granted, some are, but most of the time I would say the person would really like clarification.
Add to that, your church has a history of changing its teachings, and people here not only know, but were taught, what Mormons continually tells us we weren’t. If this is a thorn in your side, it is not a thorn that was manufactured by any “anti-Mormon”. It came from your own church.
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reesan
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NO!, the true Church of Jesus Christ was established and blessed by Jesus 2000 years ago through the Apostles and has thrived and grown to this very day with our Popes Peter to Benedict XVI and the Magesterium of the Church.
My understanding is that Mormons do not profess the basic tenets of the Christian faith and therefore are not Christians. They believe in their own messiah/angel/prophet that is far from the Biblical Christ that Catholics beleive in. I suggest doing your own research and do not rely on answers from forums like this. You can get too many off the wall answers. Use the gifts given you by God the Father, to think, question, ponder, pray and discern. The right answer will be obvious.
The Holy Trinity is the Key! God bless:coffeeread:
My understanding is that Mormons do not profess the basic tenets of the Christian faith and therefore are not Christians. They believe in their own messiah/angel/prophet that is far from the Biblical Christ that Catholics beleive in. I suggest doing your own research and do not rely on answers from forums like this. You can get too many off the wall answers. Use the gifts given you by God the Father, to think, question, ponder, pray and discern. The right answer will be obvious.
The Holy Trinity is the Key! God bless:coffeeread:
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JRKH
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Sorry to hear that you are sick. Do take care of yourself.
If I may ask you to look at my post number 11 (on the first page) you will see questions there based on information from a LDS publication. If you saw a “negative twist” to my questions I apologize. However I would really appreciate an answer to my questions.
(I have no hidden “land mines” just some questions)
It has been my experience that such remarks are best left unaddressed, or addressed charitably. Responding to uncivility with uncivility is not Christlike. This is just my opinion based on what Christ Told us to do about those who revile us.
Actually we get that quite a bit here. Some do lash out, but most, at least initially, try to educate in a charitable manner. I do know what you mean though, especially when the same false statemensts are made time and again. Very Frustrating.
You may be right. But by the same token we all, Catholic and non-catholic alike wish to spread the Gospel and defend our faith. Even if there is some of the “Gotcha” aspect, I would hope that all come away with better understanding of the other’s doctrine etc.
Could you take a look at and respond to my post (number 11) on the first page?
Thank you.
OK - No ambush. But I won’t promise not to debate either. Fair??
Peace
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BartBurk
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The Trinity isn’t the key. The Eucharist is the key. That’s the central teaching of the Catholic Church – Christ promised to be with us until the end of time and continues to be with us every time we go to mass in the consecrated host and wine. No other church except the Eastern Orthodox have that understanding. Mormons show they are false because they reject this central concept of Christ’s teaching.
Of course if they could give us some real evidence the Book of Mormon is even plausible I might be willing to listen to them. They don’t have to prove Nephi or Lehi or Moroni existed. Just show me there were Middle Easterners in ancient America. That shouldn’t be hard to demonstrate if it is really true.
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Bill_Pick
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does the mormon church still teach polygamy ?Welcome to the club.
Sucks to be us.
Here you go again. You can make a laundry list a thousand miles long of everything anyone ever said about Mormonism that is negative.
You tire me out.
This points out well what you are not seeing. We talk about Mormon doctrines, the errors that it teaches.
Mormons do this thing where you make it all very personal. If I were to say something like “the grounds at temple square are filthy”, you’d take it at though I were telling you that you need a bath.
Diana, last night, errr, early this morning, I did find a list for you. Had it typed up. But then I thought, what is the point of this making a list of offenses, back and forth. It is fruitless.
But, one of the papers I found had his great quote about how our creeds our corrupt and that as we teach them and say them we are corrupt too. It was as nasty, and as anti-Catholic as it comes.
It was followed by a lot of, “now that we’ve smacked you around, let me tell you how it was for your own good”.
People who tell you these things are for the most part not out to get you. They are telling you the truth, and believe it is for your own good. Granted, there are people in the world who make a career out of criticizing others. I don’t think any are here at CAF, at least, not for long.
Indeed, I would, and have, and do. One good reason, how about, pray for those that curse you?
We all work at being more charitable. Charity includes correcting error in belief. No, we shouldn’t bash each other about with religious disagreement. But neither should we sit by and tell you, “that’s nice dear”, when it is anything but.
It is possible to answer confrontational questions without feeding the confrontation.
This is about dialog. When you say something that raises other points or questions, people are going to discuss them.
I do agree that a thank you now and then doesn’t hurt.
That’s the problem I have seen with every Mormon. People often ask a question, and the Mormon treats them like they are Ed Decker. When really, they just had a question.
People hear and read the sort of things about Mormonism that you don’t like. People do come here and ask, Do mormons really believe ‘X’? Most often, Mormons call them trolls. And granted, some are, but most of the time I would say the person would really like clarification.
Add to that, your church has a history of changing its teachings, and people here not only know, but were taught, what Mormons continually tells us we weren’t. If this is a thorn in your side, it is not a thorn that was manufactured by any “anti-Mormon”. It came from your own church.
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