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The big bang does not say that’s when time began, that’s a myth which Lemaître tried to stamp out, even warning his Pope not to say it, but the myth is alive and well, which is another reason why atheist scientists think we theists make it up as we go.**
Many months ago I corrected your misunderstanding of this matter. What Lemaitre wanted to stamp out was any premature announcement of his own theory because there was not yet confirmation of it to be certain of it. This time you deliberately persist in the falsehood. Later, after the death of Pius XII and shortly before the death of Lemaitre, the physical evidence had come rolling in that the Big Bang theory was the correct model for the origin of the universe. You persist in ignoring these facts. Instead, you take it for a fact that Lemaitre’s theory says nothing about a pre-existing state of existence before the BB. On the contrary. He says that if anything pre-existed, it would be in a metaphysical state, and that such a state would be approachable only through philosophy, not science.
The metaphysical state for Lemaitre would have to be a philosophical reference to God and the Creation, which he did not regard as the proper subject of science. Lemairtre was a Catholic priest who believed in the Creation, even if he did not think that subject was approachable as a scientific subject, but rather as a philosophical quest. The Big Bang, according to Lemaitre, pushed the whole matter of what caused the Big Bang into the realm of philosophy. The popes are entitled as anyone else to be philosophers, and to see, and say, that only philosophy is equipped to deal with this matter. .Philosophy and religion, of course!
Carl Sagan in
Cosmos, 1980 A.D.
“Ten or twenty billion years ago, something happened – the Big Bang, the event that began our universe…. In that titanic cosmic explosion, the universe began an expansion which has never ceased…. As space stretched, the matter and energy in the universe expanded with it and rapidly cooled. The radiation of the cosmic fireball, which, then as now, filled the universe, moved through the spectrum – from gamma rays to X-rays to ultraviolet light; through the rainbow colors of the visible spectrum; into the infrared and radio regions. The remnants of that fireball, the cosmic background radiation, emanating from all parts of the sky can be detected by radio telescopes today. In the early universe, space was brilliantly illuminated.”
Genesis, 1200 B.C. : “In the beginning God said: ‘Let there be light.’”
As astronomer Robert Jastrow pointed out in
God and the Astronomers.
“For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.”
**The big bang theory says that the world was once very small, and the extreme compaction rubbed out any evidence of any previous state of the world. **
Yes? What is your point? Lemaitre does not say there
was a previous state of the world, nor does the BB theory posit such a state. Whatever anyone says, it would be all conjecture, so I don’t see how that helps the atheist position. If anything, it creates a troubling mystery for atheists who would surely much prefer evidence that the universe existed eternally. The Big Bang gives no such evidence.
Would you like to explain how it was possible that an atheist (Carl Sagan) and Genesis (3,000 years ago) could use roughly the same image of light to describe the early stage of Creation? Coincidence?
). Then vegetation is put in the ground, after which God makes the stars. The writer doesn’t realize the universe was around for nine billion years before the Sun, nor even that the Sun is a star. Strike three.
