Could there be demons incarnate?

[DanteAlighieri]

Hogwash! The angel standing at the entrance to Eden had to have a very material existence in order to be affective in guarding the Garden of Eden.

a. One needn’t take a literal view of the description of this event in the Genesis narrative, and even if one does…

b. Don’t you think that a non-corporeal angel made visible holding a flaming sword would be enough incentive not to reenter the Garden? There’s no record in Genesis of Adam and Eve (or anyone else, for that matter) trying to get past him, so there was no need for him to be physically effective.

Furthermore, perhaps you could be a bit more charitable in your responses.

Peace,
Dante

 

[puzzleannie]

are we getting emergency announcements from the national weather service or homeland security? what is with the big red letters?

it might aid discussion if when we are stating opinion we state it as opinion, even informed opinion, and when we state it dogmatically, state it with reference to the dogmatic definition. But always, please with charity. the rapidity with which the offenses against charity intrude certainly hints at the demonic.

for anyone truly interested in informing their own opinions on the topic, Mother Angelica has a good little booklet on angels, available from EWTN, and the best brief handbook is Angels and Demons, no not the Dan Brown book, the one by Peter Kreeft, and most of his books are available from Ignatius Press.

 

[JoeyWarren]

Satan is NOT god of this realm or of any. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is God of ALL creation.

The Bible indicates otherwise:

2 Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

And don’t stoop to the Protestant level and point out that the ‘g’ is in lower case. The oldest manuscripts do not make a distinction.

Upper and Lower case are a tradition of men.

This is not to say that he rules the world completely, only God does this. But it is to say that God, in his infinite wisdom, has allowed Satan to operate in this world and has allowed Satan to operate with an agenda.

Along with his agenda, he has 1/3 of heavens angels at his disposal.

 

[JoeyWarren]

P.S.

Got this blurb from here: gotquestions.org/Satan-god-world.html

When the Bible gives power to Satan over the world it must be made clear that God has given him domain over unbelievers, and unbelievers alone. Believers are no longer under the rule of Satan (Colossians 1:13). Unbelievers, on the other hand, are caught “in the snare of the devil” (2 Timothy 2:26), lie in the “power of the evil one” (1 John 5:19), and are in bondage to Satan (Ephesians 2:2).

**Sola Scriptura at it’s best! **

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**Wow, the Bible must be the fourth member of the Trinity… **

 

[Jestocost]

Angels can take on a corporeal body, as they did in the story of Lot. I know of no reason to believe that this power was removed from the fallen angels. But I don’t think you could really call this “incarnation.” They remain fully angelic, but they do not become fully human. It’s more like putting on a human costume.

 

[rtconstant]

The Bible indicates otherwise:

2 Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

And don’t stoop to the Protestant level and point out that the ‘g’ is in lower case. The oldest manuscripts do not make a distinction.

Upper and Lower case are a tradition of men.

This is not to say that he rules the world completely, only God does this. But it is to say that God, in his infinite wisdom, has allowed Satan to operate in this world and has allowed Satan to operate with an agenda.

Along with his agenda, he has 1/3 of heavens angels at his disposal.

He is also referred to in the Bible as: “the prince of the power of the air”. I’ve always thought that an interesting title. It I think has special meaning if you consider the modern age.

Ephesians 2:2
in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.

 

[jburgherr]

The Bible indicates otherwise:

2 Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

And don’t stoop to the Protestant level and point out that the ‘g’ is in lower case. The oldest manuscripts do not make a distinction.

Upper and Lower case are a tradition of men.

This is not to say that he rules the world completely, only God does this. But it is to say that God, in his infinite wisdom, has allowed Satan to operate in this world and has allowed Satan to operate with an agenda.

Along with his agenda, he has 1/3 of heavens angels at his disposal.

Sorry Joey, I have to disagree with your appraisal.

Read all of Chapter 3 of 2Co and then re-read 2 Col 4 1-4 again for context.

Even if you only read the verse you cited in a literal manor (not in a literalist fashion as a Protestant would), you would see that Paul is not declaring the god-ship of Satan. In fact he is declaring in this verse the very opposite. He is showing that Satan is a false god.

…And a false god is no god at all.

Satan is a fallen angel. No more, no less. A creature, created by the one God. He is not a god, nor can ever be.

 

[dylanschrader]

The angels are spiritual, not material.

Vatican I said that God “together from the beginning of time brought into being from nothing the twofold created order, that is the spiritual and the bodily, the angelic and the earthly, and thereafter the human which is, in a way, common to both since it is composed of spirit and body” (Third Session, Chapter 1).

The Bible in many places calls them “spirits,” e.g., Ephesians 6:12 contrasts the spiritual and the material:

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.