Could you please explain Eastern Catholicism?

[Ungcsertez]

As a Roman Catholic, I am interested in finding out how fasting is different for Eastern-rite Catholics?

Which Particular Church Tradition are you referring to when you ask about “Eastern RITE” Catholics?? What jurisdiction uses the nomenclature “Eastern Rite”?? I never heard of a Sui Juris or Patriarchal Particular Church called “Eastern RITE”. Can you enlighten me?

U-C

 

[mersch]

Thank You patchucky

 

[Formosus]

Which Particular Church Tradition are you referring to when you ask about “Eastern RITE” Catholics?? What jurisdiction uses the nomenclature “Eastern Rite”?? I never heard of a Sui Juris or Patriarchal Particular Church called “Eastern RITE”. Can you enlighten me?

U-C

They probably didn’t understand properly and you jumped down there throat over it : ( . Thats not going to help them understand any better to give them a sarcastic remark like that.

 

[Ungcsertez]

They probably didn’t understand properly and you jumped down there throat over it : ( . Thats not going to help them understand any better to give them a sarcastic remark like that.

What is so difficult about using the correct term Particular Church?

U-C

 

[Formosus]

Not everyone is catechized properly to know that Particular church is the proper term. Most latins simply know us (out of ignorance) as eastern rites. A polite correction with short explanation is all that is needed.

 

[student_of_God]

that is what is causing my confusion - if they are “with the pope” why are they called something else?

Just how 'with the pope" are they??

Are they technically in schism? (Byzantines in particular)?

Glory to Jesus Christ+!

No they are not in Schism they left the church in the great Schism (1054) and latter cam back into union with the chair of St.Peter the church welcomed them with open arms but throughout history they have been thought of as un catholic second class ect. and they have been somewhat Latinizied over the years but they are slowly moving back to their eastern roots

David

 

[Ghoti]

Not everyone is catechized properly to know that Particular church is the proper term. Most latins simply know us (out of ignorance) as eastern rites. A polite correction with short explanation is all that is needed.

Indeed. Until this post I didn’t know that “Eastern rite” is an “improper” term, and that “particular church” was the “proper”. (Where does that leave “sui iuris”?)

I myself have used “Eastern Rite” – a word I have often read as a collective for the Byzantine Rite, Chaldean Rite, etc, as opposed to the Latin Rite. I think maybe for some of us, there may be a confusion as to what constitutes “a Church” as opposed to “the Church.”

I also **had **used the term “Uniate” because that was what I had read in an encyclopedia when I first discovered the existence of the Eastern Churches.

A similar situation occurs for those of us who have not been properly catechized, for example, with regard to “assisting at” vs “going to” or “attending” Mass; “receiving” vs “going to” or “taking” Communion; “homily” vs “sermon” (this one I still don’t understand); and the whole “Novus Ordo” / “NO” / “Ordinary Form” / “OF” / “Pauline” and “Traditional Latin Mass” / “TLM” / “Tridentine Mass” / “Extraordinary Form” / “EF”.

I grew up post-Vatican II, and all I ever knew was “the Church” and “the Mass”. So forgive us, Horatio, that didn’t know there were more things in heaven and earth…

 

[belgianwaffles9]

Indeed. Until this post I didn’t know that “Eastern rite” is an “improper” term, and that “particular church” was the “proper”. (Where does that leave “sui iuris”?)

I myself have used “Eastern Rite” – a word I have often read as a collective for the Byzantine Rite, Chaldean Rite, etc, as opposed to the Latin Rite. I think maybe for some of us, there may be a confusion as to what constitutes “a Church” as opposed to “the Church.”

Well… sure, but “eastern rite” isn’t a ‘bad’ or ‘incorrect’ term. There are a number of ‘paricular churches’ which use one of the Eastern Rites (Byzantine, Syrian, Armenian…) as opposed to one of the Western Rites (Roman, Ambrosian, Mozarabic…)

 

[Ghoti]

Well… sure, but “eastern rite” isn’t a ‘bad’ or ‘incorrect’ term. There are a number of ‘paricular churches’ which use one of the Eastern Rites (Byzantine, Syrian, Armenian…) as opposed to one of the Western Rites (Roman, Ambrosian, Mozarabic…)

I refer you to post 61, above. Apparently someone takes offence.

 

[Harpazo]

Well… sure, but “eastern rite” isn’t a ‘bad’ or ‘incorrect’ term. There are a number of ‘paricular churches’ which use one of the Eastern Rites (Byzantine, Syrian, Armenian…) as opposed to one of the Western Rites (Roman, Ambrosian, Mozarabic…)

Shlom lokh,

Many Latins do not know how to use the terms properly. So, to keep from offending Eastern Catholics, it would be better to say “Eastern Churches.” Eastern Rites, the way Latins use it is to refer to the Sui Iuris Churches in Communion with the See of Rome, such as some will say “Maronite Rite” or “Ukrainian Rite.” These are incorrect.

Rite refers to the Tradition that it comes from.

Alloho minokhoun,
Andrew

 

[Aramis]

There are 5 eastern rites. There are 22 Eastern Churches Sui Iuris, and at least 3 particular churches that don’t quite qualify, maybe more. Muchachevo and the other Old Country Ruthenian dioceses are not technically part of the Sui Iuris Byzantine Catholic Metropolitan Church Sui Iuris of Pittsburgh, even tho’ they are Ruthenian Churches. They are direct papal dependencies; two eparchies and an exarchate.

In general, one needs to ask about the particular church sui iuris, for there are differences of import even between closely related churches (Like the European and American Ruthenians, or the Ruthenians and the Ukrainians) that can be important to some.

The problem comes when the term used is “Eastern Rite” (Note the singular), which implies a lack differences amongst the astonishingly diverse 5 rites, and the 22 churches sui iuris that use them. More often than not, the term is used in ignorant curiosity.

The term Uniate is more of a problem in some communities than others. For some, it’s a nice technical term. For others, a mark of subjugation to Rome. I’ve seen it used in patriarchal websites. Around here, it has been deemed offensive by the moderators, and by some of the posters.

Canon Law uses the terms Eastern Rites, Eastern Churches, Church Sui Iuris.

 

[Ungcsertez]

Shlom lokh,

Many Latins do not know how to use the terms properly. So, to keep from offending Eastern Catholics, it would be better to say “Eastern Churches.” Eastern Rites, the way Latins use it is to refer to the Sui Iuris Churches in Communion with the See of Rome, such as some will say “Maronite Rite” or “Ukrainian Rite.” These are incorrect.

Rite refers to the Tradition that it comes from.

Alloho minokhoun,
Andrew

Djakuju krasna!